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I'm trying to understand the problem those apps bring as a whole.

When an app has access to everything that concerns your health, what is the biggest threat that it can pose?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You're in a metabolic phase where you are craving junk food. Let me shove your favorite things in your face in constant interruptions of your media consumption because you quit buying my product and you're vulnerable.

I'm an imbecile managing healthcare insurance. Your resting heart rate is well below average because you've been an athlete in the past. I'm too stupid to handle this kind of data on a case by case level. You have absolutely no other health factors, but I'm going to double the rates of any outliers because I'm only concerned with maximizing profitability.

The human cognitive scope is tiny. Your data is a means of manipulation. Anyone owning such data can absolutely influence and control you in an increasingly digital world.

This is your fundamental autonomy and right to citizenship instead of serfdom. Allowing anyone to own any part of you is stepping back to the middle ages. It will have massive impacts long term for your children's children if you do not care.

Once upon a time there were Greek citizens, but they lost those rights to authoritarianism. Once upon a time there were Roman citizens, but they lost those rights to authoritarians, which lead to the medieval era of serfs and feudalism. This right of autonomy is a cornerstone of citizenship. Failure to realize the import of this issue is making us the generation that destroyed an era. It is subtle change at first, but when those rights are eroded, they never come back without paying the blood of revolutions.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The devs collecting and selling the data to advertisers and enemy governments I guess. Just use open-source apps and self-hosted data storage

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Please do recommend an open source fitness tracking app that supports watches from Garmin, I'll wait.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Gadgetbridge is apparently going to support some of their devices in upcoming versions https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/garmin/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Good to know, thanks :)

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't use such apps so can't recommend anything. Ask someone who knows more about the topic

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My point was such a thing does not exist.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Well I think I heard it does but I don't remember how it's called

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

It will vary by actor. For example, the US military doesn't like Strava because of its social running feature.

You need to think of the threat model for different actors and groups. There's a lot of talk now about menstrual tracking for women in the US. Most of it won't be obvious.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's an interesting question.

Perhaps I'm not devious enough, but the only impact I can see is insurance companies increasing your fees or denying cover.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

We've already seen car insurance companies buying your data from car manufacturers and using it to jack up your rates.

Why would you think health insurance companies aren't doing the same?