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[-] [email protected] 102 points 5 days ago

Man, if I still lived in an EU country and the government pulled this shit I’d be making the most of that sweet freedom-of-movement. Way to drive all the skills out of your economy.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That's exactly what tens if not hundreds of thousands of young Greeks have done in the last 15 years.

Greece has a brain drain problem. This ridiculous measure is actually sold by the government as an attempt to address the shortage of certain skilled worker categories. By ... incentivizing the few that are left to pack up and leave. In practice, it's just class warfare.

The Greek ruling class is a bunch of grifters, landlords, smugglers and gangsters (always have been, since 1830) and they are basically betting on a "recovery" based on cheap labour.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

Legitimate question: aren't there barriers / hurdles to permanent residency still?

[-] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

A good example of how this is not the case is the UK and Dentists. When Brexit hit and they left the EU (picture if the right in the US had their immigration way), a ton of immigrant Dentists had to leave. It was easy to stay before because of the EU. Now there is a huge shortage of dentists. Surprise surprise.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The barriers are your skills and language. Other than that, no.

Edit: some people move without permanent residency anyway. It has its' drawbacks.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Got it, that's all I meant. I thought there were requirements, it's not just "pack our bags, we're moving to Germany tomorrow"

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

If you can afford it, yes you can do this. You are allowed to live and work anywhere in the EU.

But if you also need a job to feed you, its more difficult if you do not speak the local language and have not learned something useful.

But from the residency law you absolutely can pack your bag and move to Germany tomorrow as an EU citizen.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Honestly, I always thought it was overrated. Some catchy music, sure, but I don't think it really holds up otherwise. Maybe the play was better?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

The play was awful. Sam Simon performed a miracle.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Greece has some port big problems financially that are not going away any time soon. It needs change, it needs exports

[-] [email protected] 98 points 5 days ago

Greek employers cannot find the staff they need. Greek coastguard pushes migrants off boats into the sea.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

in my shithole country we have %30 unemployment and 6-day work week. Also it's all slave wages regardless of your degree or experience. It's a corrupt shithole system that enables itself to keep on staying shit by exploiting poor people and getting the rich richer.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Um, you're describing Greece plus or minus some unemployment percentage points.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Those migrants aren't staying in Greece, they want to go somewhere with an actual economy

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

If that were the case, why would the Greek coastguard give a shit?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Maybe the cruelty is the point?

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Greek companies wonder why "nobody wants to work anymore."

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

But they'll take all of our incredibly desirable jobs!

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

This is a false dichotomy. Employers can't find the staff they need at the wages they are willing to pay. Immigrants are the scapegoat, not the solution.

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[-] [email protected] 145 points 5 days ago

Greece re-introduces the 6 day work week... It used to be the standard. Y'know, in the 18th fucking century

[-] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago

And the 19th, and a large part of the 20th too

[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Also, part of the 21st....

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[-] [email protected] 87 points 5 days ago

Noo that's the wrong direction

[-] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago

Capitalism 📈 (the line is both profit and human suffering)

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Plot twist: They are one and the same.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

The thing is in this case, it's only human suffering. People don't actually work nonstop all week. Giving them fewer hours over four days means they're more productive for those days because they're not dragging out their work to fill the arbitrary 40 hours they have to work for. So companies pay workers the same, but can save money in amenities and office space or whatever by using it less AND have more productive workers. Longer work weeks don't actually make companies more money (oversimplifying and speaking broadly).

[-] [email protected] 121 points 5 days ago

Well that’s some backwards bullshit.

[-] [email protected] 116 points 5 days ago

employers are permitted to require staff to work up to two unpaid hours per day for a limited period in return for more free time.

Wow.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

I hope this is at least banking that time; you don't get overtime, but you can use that time later for paid time off.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

Still sucks that it could be mandatory. I work in a government job in Australia and we have "Flexible Hours" which means that any time worked under or over the standard 7:30hrs per day counts towards a flex balance. Then we can use the excess flex balance to then taking shorter days or even take a couple days off if we have the balance for it. It works wonders for staff morale and retention.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Same boat mate - Aussie govt employee myself who has access to flex. Personally I felt it was better when I was working for an NGO and they always gave me the choice between being paid overtime or banking it to flex later. It was nice to get the extra cash when I needed it and extra leave when the time came too. That should be the standard the employee should have the choice between OT or extra leave.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I hope so too, that has to be a very difficult situation for working parents to navigate.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago

neoliberalism in its essence

[-] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

I mean how does the government regulate this even?

If I was a skilled worker, I'd tell the company I work 5 days or I don't work for you ..

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Starvation and homelessness are quite powerful motivators.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Greek Brain Drain incoming.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Thanks I hate it.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Greece had been effed since the austerity economics were placed on them due to the great big financial crisis where boys were declared to be too big to fail. Remember only regular working people are allowed to fail.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

No wonder they're not having children if they spend all their time 69ing

[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That's even worse than China's 69 (six days, nine hours).

[-] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago

996 is the concept out of the Chinese tech industry I'm familiar with - from 9 to 9, 6 days a week, totalling 72 hours worked per week.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

That's how you fuck up. Greece already had insane working hours, that doesn't seem to be the problem.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Can they don't

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