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submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I'm keeping it broad by not specifying a distro. I'm just curious is this a real option for actual editing professionals? As far as I understand you can make it work by running under Wine, but I'm guessing this comes with significant drawbacks. I'm having trouble finding any information on both the current state of things with running Premiere under linux (most info seems to be from 2018 for some reason), and the extent of the drawbacks in a quantifiable way.

I'm generally a pretty happy Mac OS user, but I always want to keep options open. I haven't really tried to use Linux on desktop since the late 00s.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

The reason, you aren't finding anything, is that nobody really attempts to install premiere or after effects anymore on Linux. The alternatives have cought up and they are available for Linux.

  • DaVinci Resolve provides the complete package. Video editor and (node based) compositor in one. Even outside of the Linux world there is a lot of momentum behind this tool, as I probably don't have to tell you. Keep in mind, that the free version on Linux has some limitations, that the free versions on the other OS's don't have (missing h264 support for example)
  • Left angle Autograph (https://www.left-angle.com/#page=95) is a young product, having seen its first release earlier this year. It's a direct competitor to After Effects. A timeline based VFX tool. Unfortunately fairly expensive as well.

Back to your question: making things work with wine has a significant drawback. Your system can break with every update. So you're not making it work just once but over and over again.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Someone should tell Left Angle that Ubuntu 22 is not a valid Ubuntu release.

It always infuriates me a bit whenever I see that and it immediately tells me that Linux doesn't seem to be a priority for them. For some reason they get the macOS version numbers right ...

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Is there any good alternative to Photoshop on Linux? That's about the only thing I miss after switching

There's GIMP but it seems a little clunky sometimes, I've heard krita is good for artists but I tend to just use this kind of thing for editing images

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

GIMP is currently missing non-destructive editing (a rather core feature), but that's something they're aiming to fix in 3.2. I don't know when that'll be here, but that will be a good day for GIMP.

You might have better luck with Affinity Photo—it doesn't really work well through Wine yet, but it's getting there: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/182758-affinity-suite-v204-on-linux-wine/

I personally use Affinity Photo on macOS and I'm really happy with it. I like it more than Photoshop, actually. Fair warning that it will rasterize all your text layers in .PSD files, so you'd want to be using only .afphoto files, but it's impressive how good the .PSD support is otherwise. So, give it a year or two, and Affinity Photo might be in good shape in Wine! I mean, I can hope.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

As I mentioned krita isn't really an editing tool as far as I've heard it's more for art

I only ever really used it for editing

Paint.net used to be my go-to on windows because I'm too cheap to pay for a Photoshop license

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Isn't Krita more like an alternative to Adobe Illustrator?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Inkscape is like Illustrator. Krita is a digital painting application, so Photoshop. It doesn't replace Photoshop in every usecase. But in that regard it's better than the tool from Adobe (or so I've been told)

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Honestly, no there isn't. Even if Gimp can apparently do a lot of what Photoshop can, you have to first learn, then jump through 20 unintuitive hoops to get to the same result thst Photoshop can do in 2 clicks. Nothing compares as far as I'm concerned.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Better off using native Linux applications. We have DaVinci Resolve, Lightworks, Blender, and Kdenlive. All are fantastic video editors that can give you very professional results.

Personally I use Kdenlive:

  • Doesn't require GPU
  • Automatic subtitles
  • Support for LUTs
  • Nested timelines
  • Proxy/Offline editing
  • Warp stabilizer
  • Free and Open Source

It's probably the most feature complete FOSS editor.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

To add to this, I also use Natron to replace After Effects. I use both of these on Linux and Windows too, serves me well as a light-mid user.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Can it be done? Yes.

Can it be done in a reliable way that you can depend on to always just work when you need it? No.

If you are completely dependent on Adobe products for your livelihood, you should not plan to work exclusively on Linux.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

This was my experience with Photoshop. Got it installed, tried a few things, great, seems to work. Then eventually I went to actually use it, and it would consistently crash trying to do certain tasks. Back to dual boot I go..

[-] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

If you've to work with other people and/or you really need the Adobe tools my best advice if to forget it. Emulation and stuff like Wine, Bottles, Crossover is all cool until you try to install MS Office and it doesn't work properly or Photoshop doesn't work because it fails to identify the screen size. You can't simply run those programs for everyday usage under Linux with good results.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

VM is your best bet for adobe stuff. You'd need GPU passthrough for proper hardware acceleration annoyingly.

Maybe dualbooting from Windows for those might be better until Proton and WINE can get resources to support Adobe stuff again!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Interesting! I have some questions:

  • Is editing a primary part of your job?
  • How and why was ShotCut selected for your work?
  • How do you feel about ShotCut compared to other editing software on Linux, Windows, and MacOS?

Thanks!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

just use a vm ,possibly with GPU passthrough

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Yeah, build your own desktop, carefully pick a compatible GPU and then deal with access issues to the VM. Most ways to access the image coming out of the VM are either slow or glitchy. Unfortunately this isn't a solution for people who need to do their daily jobs on those programs.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Huh? Any GPU is "compatible" and the experience is basically same as bare metal

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Last time I looked into passthrough (for qemu), it was non-trivial to set up, though. Has that gotten any easier?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

It's not something I would trust my mother to be able to setup but if you are a regular Linux user then it shouldn't be too hard for you.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

And it's a one-time setup. Once it's working, it'll keep working, unless wondering drastically changes with iommub groups or something (i.e. check before doing major BIOS updates).

[-] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

If it isn't that it means it isn't decent software :D

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

i think its mostly the same but now its easier to separate the iommu groups because i think the ACS patch was upstreamed? so id give it a try

[-] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ahaha very funny. So tell me, how are you passing the image from the passthrough GPU back to your system?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

i dont think this question makes sense. also whats funny about vfio?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

They crash enough on Windows already, I would highly recommend against it! :/

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=128

It is not rated well on winedb, although those look like old versions?. I would not have much hope in it working for professional needs . You would be better served by learning one of the more open or Linux friendly alternatives instead. Quite a few are quite good now for different needs. You would need to try them out your self to see if they meet your needs though. Which you can typically do on windows to minimise the disruption to your work flows. But be warned it can take some time to relearn them.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Forget wine. Virtual Machines or Remote Desktop work very well for generic Windows software. For graphics-heavy stuff, you need to learn whether this works for you.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I use Kdenlive.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It's not viable, doesn't run well or at all through wine and in VMs it's slow at best...

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I am heavily considering switching to Linux aswell (though from Windows). I guess I would just spin up a VM if I need to run something I can't get to work on bare matal Linux.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Dual boot for a while. Even if you're using a usb

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Dual boot is too inconvenient. Just go Linux cold-turkey and run Windows in a VM if you have to.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Dualbooting is a great start for most people who want to switch but USB sticks have cheap storage controllers so they will die insanly fast if you put that kind of load on them permanentely and it will probably be slower than a HDD.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

That's the plan. Windows will be on one ssd and Linux (probably Mint) on another.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I thought about dualboot using two SSDs, one for linux, one for Windows and a VM on linux using the physical Windows SSD. Don't know if it is really possible though...

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I remember trying to do that once, it wasn't possible IIRC but it might be now 10 years later

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

There will be massive performance issues due to driver support and in the way modern Adobe apps use the GPU to handle a lot of the work. Over the past few years as GPU's have become insanely powerful, Adobe have retooled a lot of their apps to make use of that number-crunching - before you could bruteforce it with a decent CPU but now a lot of program functions are handled by the graphics card - even things like canvas scaling and rotation are only active using the GPU.

Until Adobe make native versions (and there is corresponding driver support - nVidia run drivers built specifically for creative apps like those from Adobe and Autodesk), I wouldn't even consider using Linux for any type of creative work, to be honest.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I wouldn’t even consider using Linux for any type of creative work, to be honest.

I create schematics and PCBs on it all the time. But that's more engineering, not media and art.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Not only that. If all you need to deal with are still images Inkscape, Krita and to some extent GIMP are quite enough for my students, and I teach at an art university.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Agreed. I've been designing professionally since 2009, and have switched my workflow to 100% FLOSS tools. Scribus, Inkscape, and Krita are suitable for professional work these days.

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