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How fucking stupid is that? Sorry, but not having a good morning. This is like when I found out you can't set the number of rings either. Sometimes I just want to smash all my tech and go back to rocks, sticks, and leaves.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Voicemail isn't something Android controls. Your carrier hosts the voicemail service and keeps a copy of recorded messages. Carriers usually offer automated access to control these settings (check the SIM toolkit) but they're in control of the services they provide to you.

Android can try, but it's powerless if your carrier doesn't implement the right magical dial codes.

I don't know why Google doesn't offer settings for the number of rings before automatically declining a call. Other dialer apps I've seen have offered that. Your carrier probably offers that functionality as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Back in the day (ow my back) carriers let you control how calls are diverted by dialling one of those * 123*12345# type numbers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure, but I think these USSD/GSM codes still work nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

They'll probably still work. I believe they still form the basis of how the Android settings screen can control carrier settings, though the number of settings available seem to have gone down over the years.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Only your carrier has the ability to block a call. And when they do that, the caller would receive a brief message letting them know that the number is blocked.

Anything outside of that simply doesn’t answer the call. If you have voicemail active, obviously the caller will be given the option to leave a message.

There is no service that will give you a true number block outside of your carrier.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I believe if you use a service like Google Voice you actually can block numbers. You can even set filters and play specific messages for different numbers (I sent "unknown" numbers to a recording that told them they need to unblock caller ID)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

In that scenario, Google Voice is your carrier, so it's the same

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

You’re talking about VOIP and other such features that simply require an internet connection. We are talking about traditional cell service which can only be controlled by the line’s operator.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Reading the comments I'm still amazed by how big of a problem robocalls are in the US.

Here in the EU I've had around 4 unsolicited calls in 20 years. Why is it a problem there and not here?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because America is a third world country with shiny veneers

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

It's actually pretty big problem in Spain. I have to keep blocking spam numbers. I think it's the same in Poland. EU is not regulating this, it's up to individual governments and some are not handling it well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

We have a government agency the FCC that's fucking worthless because it's full of people who get money from big telecom companies.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Don't you know that you're not free? You'd only be free if something like this went unpunished/s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In US here. I do not remember last time I heard a robocall. A years ago? I did get one robocall message couple months back though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@MxM111 @hedge @maynarkh I still get some robocalls, if they leave a message. Most people don't answer their phones if the calling number is not in their contacts list, so that has put a damper on the robocalls effectiveness. It also puts a damper on the effectiveness of political polling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

What's the point of answering the phone nowadays?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Here in the UK, I get one a year. I used to get more, but then I answered a couple and was deliberately obstinate in a way that seems to have gotten me added to a blacklist.

"No, you called me, so you have to prove that you are who you say you are. We'll start with your company registration number, registered office, and FCA registration number." No threats or profanity or abuse, just firm demands that they prove their identity. They always hang up, stop calling, and tell their fellow scammers not to bother with me.

I definitely don't trust the government to regulate properly, but I do trust the scammers to recognise that pestering me wastes their time and gets them nothing. While it may seem like the 2-3 minutes per year spent stubbornly refusing to give any personal information until I've done "due diligence checks" is a waste of my time, I consider it an investment, since I don't have to deal with any calls in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Blocking a number on you phone just tells the phone to hide the incoming call not the carrier. The call rings through unanswered and then the carrier routes it to voicemail like any other call.

You would need to block the caller at the carrier. Most have some kind of block list you can enable. The alternative would be a non-standard dialer app that, rather than hiding the incoming call, would pick it up and drop it. I don't know if such software exists.

Edit: dialer not diaper.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

The Pampers app does this well. First I tried Luvs and Huggies but they were trash.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The alternative would be a non-standard diaper app that, rather than hiding the incoming call, would pick it up and drop it. I don’t know if such software exists.

I assume you meant dialer app 😆 . But anyway, for some Android phones you can use call screening.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

But why does it work like that? You could just as easily make the phone silently pick up and silently hang up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

That's not a complete solution, though. If it relies on the phone to implement the block, then blocking wouldn't work when the phone is turned off or otherwise unavailable (not within service range, in airplane mode on an airplane, etc.).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

For prepaid phones or international roaming phones, you'd be charged for a 1 minute call and hit with a roaming charge.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Both of those are service related and nothing to do with Android.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No, most blocking these days is done on the device level.

It used to be that your provider was the one who would manage individual number blocks, but now that smartphones can do that trivially easily, calling up your provider to ask to block a number will end up with the rep telling you how to block the number from your device. Granted, you still can do carrier-level blocking, but most carriers are moving away from it because the user isn't in control of those settings. Carriers are mostly hands-off with blocks, unless you're blocking specific types of numbers (like 5-digit shortcode numbers or toll lines).

So yes, this is 100% a failure of the OS in this case.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

That's called declining the call.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty unclear why you'd have this arbitrary expectation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You leave a voicemail by calling someone.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You leave a voicemail by calling someone that doesn't answer.

Blocking the call at your phone is just not answering.

Use something like Google's Call Screening that actually answers numbers not in your contacts so they don't get the opportunity to leave a voicemail.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Voicemail? What year is it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Exactly. Maybe I can disable it altogether...?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can reset your voicemail, which on some carriers will result in callers getting the, "This voicemail box has not been set up yet," outgoing message (which will not let them leave a message). From the quick search I did, it looks like it's a pretty carrier-specific process, though, so you'll need to search " reset voicemail" to get anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

For me, Its the call forwarding option. My Cell provider has a special number in there for unanswered calls. If you forward that to a number that isn't real all unanswered (and blocked calls) will get a 'this number does not exist" message.

Be careful with this because real callers and people you know will get the message if you don't answer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

2002 called but it got voicemail.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's 2023.

  • demand no voicemail
  • reassure incredulous carrier that no, it's 2023, voicemail is as dead as the answering machine, and that you never want to get a message beep.
  • reassure them again that their useless pork service isn't required, and that your choice is only between various plans that do not include or enable a voicemail service.

Just let it die.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Okay I see this sentiment everywhere and I'm genuinely curious how people are living their lives that they have no use for voice mail.

Everytime I'm working with a job recruiter, a doctor's office, or a financial institution, when it comes to notifying me of a need to talk over the phone or in person, or just give me a brief update, phone/voicemail is usually the go-to. Email is usually reserved for more "important" communications, and banks, especially, aren't normally going to text you anything beyond their standard notifications/ questionaires. And in the case of recruiters, specifically, if you don't have a voicemail, there's no message to them confirming your number is yours, and they may just assume your information is incorrect, or determine you're too much of a hassle to get in contact with.

It's not like I don't have issues with it. 90% of my messages are unsolicited garbage I end up deleting anyway, but I would find it incredibly stressful if I'm waiting to hear back from somebody important and think the reason the comms aren't going smoothly is because I don't have voicemail.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

These issues are probably cultural and region-specific. The countries I've lived in are the opposite, voicemail just isn't a thing and if you leave an important message in voicemail you're likely to get blamed instead.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Yep, I wish I could disable voicemail, but there are important ones that come through from time to time that I don't want to worry about missing. Not every profession has comfortably transitioned to texting/email and I can't force them to.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And blocking someone on Lemmy doesn't block them on Reddit. What did you expect?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Given voicemails start with a call, OP probably expected that voicemails would be blocked since you have to perform a blocked call in order to leave one.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

How could it? Calls are blocked on the OS level, but voicemails are on the carrier level, the OS has no way of affecting that. Just disable voicemail altogether.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ya, I'd honestly rather an automated system that accepts and hangs up on the caller just so I don't need that stupid "YOU HAVE A VOICEMAIL" notification that I can only remove for 2 hours at a time.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just had my carrier remove my voicemail.

I’m on iOS, and I have “silence unknown callers” turned on. I’m sure a similar Android option exists.

Basically - any number that calls me that is unknown (that isn’t in my contacts or I haven’t called/picked up before) goes right to my nonexistent voicemail, which means they’re immediately hung up on.

Auto-dialers are funny. Most are configured to redial on connection fail. Yesterday I received 38 calls in a 2 minute period. Never got a single notification about it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What do you do for contractors, Doctors, etc?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does your carrier's online account management allow you to block numbers yourself? That will prevent them from leaving voicemails. If they don't let you do it yourself online, you'll probably have to call, and regardless, there might be a charge per number - the last time I looked into it, it was $10 to block a number for my Verizon account.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

This is why someone should make a non-standard dialer that lets you:

  1. Pick up then hang up immediately, so they can't send it to voicemail.
  2. A button that tells the carrier "I missed the call".
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah I hate that. It just fills your voicemail with crap and makes that useless, too.

You'd think something as simple as a phone wouldn't get so shitty... But he we are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

What I do is mute all calls not on my contacts and never set up voice mail.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I don't have this problem. I think it depends on your carrier. Some carriers let the call go straight to voice mail. My blocks are a one-time thing and system-wide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

they're just trying to get u extended car warranty bro

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