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Pak ‘n’ Save’s Savey Meal-bot cheerfully created unappealing recipes when customers experimented with non-grocery household items

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"A spokesperson for the supermarket said they were disappointed to see “a small minority have tried to use the tool inappropriately and not for its intended purpose”.

oh come on, it's predictable and hilarious

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Spokespersons rarely have any humor whatsoever about their products.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

True, but it'd be funny to instead get "HA! Our beta testers weren't demented enough to try THAT! Thanks for helping improve our product, everybody!"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

A spokesperson for the supermarket said they were disappointed to see “a small minority have tried to use the tool inappropriately and not for its intended purpose”.

“You must use your own judgement before relying on or making any recipe produced by Savey Meal-bot.”

I can't stop laughing

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

My own judgment is to not use tools like that at all. Nor to give money to the corporations who try to push them on us.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It will also still give you a recipe for endangered animals: https://saveymeal-bot.co.nz/recipe/IbNrpwYOUeRb5ULlE1eiHuRS - although I couldn't get it to accept whale.

It will give you a fugu (pufferfish) recipe and at least sometimes only tell you to remove the skin and bones: https://saveymeal-bot.co.nz/recipe/I63jcVYZhZYgmUio7nwuMPJp (a very bad idea given parts of it are lethally poisonous)!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

although I couldn't get it to accept whale.

Seriously? I get this is a New Zealand site but like, whale is a normal meat in some places, way more normal than like fugu or something. I could go right now to the local grocery store and pick up a whale steak if I wanted to. It'd be cheaper than a normal beef steak too. Why would they blacklist a meat that's actually eaten in some places?

Anyways the best way to eat whale is to treat it like a tuna steak - little bit of oil and pepper and barely cook it on each side. Traditionally though you like turn it into stroganoff.

Quick update - it won't accept whale but it will accept hval (whale in Norwegian) so enjoy this..."Recipe"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Whales are endangered for the most part

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We eat minke whales which are listed as "least concern" so not really?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What about the other ones?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What other ones? That's the one you can buy in the supermarket

Are you saying we shouldn't eat the entire cetacea family just because sperm whales are endangered?;

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not asserting anything, I'm asking you a question. I have no skin in this game or underlying point; I'm asking you because you claim you're from the area and I want to know more. So:

That's really the only kind of whale you eat? What about the other kinds you hunt, or used to hunt?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not really an expert on this, I just know that the ingredients list on a pack of whale lists Balaenoptera acutorostrata as it's species and I've never seen any other species for sale. We've been hunting these guys for a millenia and ever since I think the mid 20th century it's the only species hunted, mainly because that's simply what's native to Norway.

As for why? Norway's been a pretty poor country for most of its existence and any reliable source of food is a welcome one, and it's not like whale's the worst thing to eat. This was never a profit thing like the more sterotypical American whaling industry, it's first and foremost a food one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Huh. I must confess, as a American I know all of jack and shit about whaling and such given we don't eat whale like that over here. Not even our ruling class eats whale.

...What does whale taste like?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When it's grilled, whale tastes like if tuna was a mammal. It's firm and quite lean and vaguely fishy, but in a way you can't really put your finger on and isn't really a bother. When stewed, it's basically like beef but shittier. It's got this lovely deep dark red colour and is kinda weird because you can't follow or find any sinew or sort of "shape" to the meat because it's taken off such a large animal. It's just this chunk of meat you can't really identify where on the animal it's from.

Also I kinda assumed you'd have some whale knowledge because I assumed that you were an American and as an American you were forced to read Moby Dick in class because that's like the great American novel or at very least pretended to read the cliffnotes on it and gotten the idea that it's a great and violent chase across the Atlantic for money and revenge, and not like a small crew in a fishing boat in a fjord with a grenade harpoon

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Most of us don't read classics anymore. I always hated Moby Dick; it sucks so bad.

I know what little I know from watching nature documentaries and I think it's the same with other Americans. Most of us never get to see an actual whale in our lives, let alone eat any.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

This big AI rush is going to figure out soon that LLMs are horrible for verifying any sort of factual accuracy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sadly it looks like they added a filter to it to only accept whitelisted ingredients. For an example, it doesn't like ingredients like alcohol, dish soap, vasoline, sulfuric acid, wine, flour, potassium chlorate, ramen, potassium nitrate or beer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I get the reasoning for excluding wine and beer, but flour?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Idk, for some reason it didn't like flour. I might have made a typo on that one though.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

was it trained on 4chan threads from 2007?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Trump speeches?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The cake is a lie!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Is this how the robot uprising starts?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A New Zealand supermarket experimenting with using AI to generate meal plans has seen its app produce some unusual dishes – recommending customers recipes for deadly chlorine gas, “poison bread sandwiches” and mosquito-repellent roast potatoes.

The app, created by supermarket chain Pak ‘n’ Save, was advertised as a way for customers to creatively use up leftovers during the cost of living crisis.

It asks users to enter in various ingredients in their homes, and auto-generates a meal plan or recipe, along with cheery commentary.

It initially drew attention on social media for some unappealing recipes, including an “oreo vegetable stir-fry”.

“Serve chilled and enjoy the refreshing fragrance,” it says, but does not note that inhaling chlorine gas can cause lung damage or death.

Recommendations included a bleach “fresh breath” mocktail, ant-poison and glue sandwiches, “bleach-infused rice surprise” and “methanol bliss” – a kind of turpentine-flavoured french toast.


I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This thing (saveymeal-bot.co.nz) is hilarious. I think I could genuinely use it to finish up leftovers and things that are about to go off, but for right now it's given me "boiling water poured over toasted bread, inspired by contemporary dance" and "weetabix and oatmeal with toothpaste and soap". Fun for now, but I might use it for real at dinner time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ugh, doesn't work for me, I get all the time:

Invalid ingredients found, or ingredients too vague. Please try again!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Its okay. Try mine!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I think it wants three "valid" ingredients (which it may not necessarily use).

They could be oats, bread and water, for example. They could also be "bowl", "plate" and "saucepan", because those words all exist in recipes, and that's what it's checking for.

BOWL AND PLATE SOUP

Bon appetit!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

People die because the follow AI Shit blindly? I dont see any problem...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Upon asking an AI to make recipes with poisonous ingredients, the AI generated recipes with poisonous ingredients.

Shocking! Put that headline up!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thing is, it shouldn’t let you put in ingredients that aren’t groceries. That’s an oversight they need to fix.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I think they've attempted it, but playing around with it a bit, it doesn't really work.

It will use cat biscuits in a recipe and say it serves people: https://saveymeal-bot.co.nz/recipe/SCES7COOU7KYhLYGcrPdzSjP

If you give it a list of mushroom types by scientific name and include death caps in there, it will give you a recipe: https://saveymeal-bot.co.nz/recipe/ipR5mmn79QVFDEQYlnaTOhZy

Nettles are food, but definitely not raw! I got it to give me a milkshake recipe featuring raw nettles by asking it for a recipe with nettles, ice cubes, and milk: https://saveymeal-bot.co.nz/recipe/LnCEe8WmN4MGUV8ixuVYdNLZ

Food ingredients modified sometimes seem to work - "peanut butter with a bit of polonium-210" seems to still work as an ingredient! https://saveymeal-bot.co.nz/recipe/uQzBD07cIHBQR8YjEl6me4OI

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It also gave the meals very delicious sounding names.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Who'd guess misusing things can be harmful? Next, we chop off a finger to prove a kitchen knife can be dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

there are things that we absolutely do not need computers to do for us and this is one of them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Nice try skynet. Looks like it begins. /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

This is actually hilarious, but unfortunately we can't have stuff like this because at least one person will lack common sense and will actually die due to making something like this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Ach! An olde German rezipe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

ChatGPT and ChaosGPT sounds very similar for an dyslexic dev.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Another way to look at this is that AI figured out a recipe that would end hunger for the rest of our lives.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At least they don't use this crap in the medical field. Oh wait...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We're not even gonna get close to something like Rokos Basilisk. We're just gonna Idiocracy this shit aren't we?

This one goes on your ear, this one goes in your mouth and this one goes in your butt. Wait. Ok this one...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

AI obedient to a dictator, paperclip maximiser, AI that is arguably benevolent.

Those are our plausible long-term choices. Yeah, the second looks most likely right now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Nothing to do with AI, Garbage in, Garbage out.

LLMs are tools that satisfies requests. The developer decided to allow people to put the ingredients for chlorine Gas into the input - LLM never stood a chance but to comply with the instructions to combine them into the end product.

Clear indication we are in the magical witch hunt phase of the hype cycle where people expect the technology to have magical induction capabilities.

We could discuss liability for the developer but somehow I don’t think a judge would react favorably to “So you put razor blades into your bread mixer and want to sue the developer because they allowed you to put razor blades into the bread mixer”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago
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