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Hi guys!

At this point it's been a while since I don't use a mail client, last time Evolution sorted my need of Activesync compatibility and I used it extensively. But these days I no longer need that, as I'm planning to use just protonmail and maybe also sync gmail to it (although for gmail I kinda prefer the web). Reading through the comments on the app I saw mentions about Betterbird...What's your thoughts on this?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I tried "Better"bird for around a month, a year or so ago. Until I hit a bug and submitted a bug report and got this reply:

That's best reported as a Thunderbird issue with exact steps to reproduce.

and later this:

As a first step, we suggest to install the current ESR 91 version of Thunderbird in parallel and see whether the issue exists there.

I personally don't see what's the point of using an email client, if it refers to another email client for submission of some bugs, or if it asks you to install another email client to solve them. I told them and they explained that they're a small team and that

BB is a TB downstream project (fork) and we cannot possibly fix all 14.000 upstream issues.

The turning-point for me was that they simply closed my bug report and, when I told them that that was a let-down, they said:

Users like yourself, who refuse to cooperate or support the project via a donation, are a total let-down indeed, especially if they feel entitled to get a fix.

which was unfair because I do recurring donations to all software I use regularly. But OK, I can simply donate directly to Thunderbird and use that directly.

So I went back to Thunderbird and have been using it without problems since then; they fixed that and other bugs in the meantime. Thunderbird supports all major forms of authentication from what I've seen, so I use it for my work account and other free accounts, all in one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Big fan of Thunderbird. Their recent redesign is neat. You'll have even more reasons in the upcoming month as they will be releasing a mobile app. Basically it will sync deleted and/or already read emails sent to you, really handy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Right. I'm waiting for that mobile-desktop sync feature though

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I enjoy using Evolution. I like that you can hack the keybindings and the css theme, and that it works with Microsoft Exchange for mail and calendar sync, required at work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Thunderbird. Not a fan of the new design since it causes dark reader to lag and that means I get flashbanged occasionally. Probably something that will be fixed eventually, but I hate it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I’m using Thunderbird and it works perfectly fine for me.

Still I also had to configure Evolution as I wanted the Gnome Calendar widget to display my events.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I recently switched back to Evolution from Thunderbird, because the threaded view is more reliable. I miss the good label management and filtering a bit, but is not impossible to use them in Evolution. And Evolution is native to Gnome, which I prefer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wish I remembered more details but the consensus seemed to be to stick with Thunderbird. I use it every day and the new v115 really made it feel new again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm still on 102.13, what did you like about 115? I assume it was more than just another skin change?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

115 made Thunderbird UI more customizable and consistent. The idea was to get rid of some of the cruft which accumulated over the last 10 years and make development easier.

But they'll add features like Thunderbird Sync to share settings between different devices, like the upcoming Thunderbird Android (K9-Mail).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Cool, thanks for the info!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

There is KMail as well

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

why do people use web clients

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

As far as I know, then "soft inboxes" of Gmail is not directly duplicable in any client (but their own on Android).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Pigeons. E2E encrypted ones if possible.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I use Betterbird because I want my E-Mail text in the right pane, not at the bottom like in Thunderbird. And Betterbird is the only program that can be configured to show 2 lines of info per mail in the list pane, instead of putting it all in columns side by side, for which there isn't enough room on my screen. (This feature has been requested in Thunderbird since 2003!)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

thunderbird has the right pane view as an option

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but it can't show subject and sender on top of each other in the e-mail list pane, so the list takes up too much horizontal space for the mail text to be on the right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

oops, thanks. I missed that option.