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I like having proprietary surveillance listening device in my house (beehaw.org)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

People, if you want to discuss your fetishes or crimes or whatever you want around a smart speaker, just unplug the damn thing. It's not that hard. I got them all over the house because I'm an automation geek but I'm well aware of what I say around them. With a Pihole on the network, I don't get targeted ads either.

Also, they don't send your audio to their servers 24/7. I've verified this myself with Wireshark. That would be a hell of a lot of server resources they would need, and they can get info easier just by profiling and fingerprinting you online.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's technically possible to make your own 100% local smart house with an llm ( i think the best for automated text to api is called gorilla 7b ) using llama.ccp , whisper for transcription and tortoise (it got 10x faster recently ) for realistic lifelike tts. 1 powerful pc is the maestro, multiple raspberry pi l with a 10inch display and a microphone to handle the input part.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Homeassistant apparently are going all in on voice control too with their next round of updates, so hopefully soon I can get rid of the Google Home crap I got now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

ah yes the good old convenience > privacy

amazon thanks you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not about convenience. It's part of my hobby. I develop open source IoT devices. And I test them for interoperability with commerical solutions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

ah that's understandable

still, I think for most people it's simply convenience > privacy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

YET THE ABOMINABLE MACHINE SPEAKS! PURGE IT WITH HOLY FIRE!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This is all true. The one problem I think they really should change though, is they KEEP the voice data they collect by mistake. When the local device thinks it heard the wake word, but the cloud analysis decided it was not said.

There is ZERO reason to keep that data long term. If they want to analyze it to reduce the incidences of this, MAYBE but then it should work like this:

1: Instantly anonymized
2: Sent into an analysis queue
3: Deleted as soon as analysis is complete (with a pretty short window for mandatory deletion).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, cyberpunk has a good point though. Look at how afraid folks are of just LLMs stealing jobs. Now imagine actual androids were taking jobs. Artificial humans have commonly been used as a corollary to immigration and racism. It's just these devices in homes don't pose as much of a threat in competition to other humans. No one lost their job because they hired an Amazon Echo instead. Prejudice against another, in my opinion, always seems to stem from the loss of some privilege and so those folks tend to project that hate into who they think "stole" their privilege which they viewed as a right. So instead of being equal, they view the "other" group as being raised on a pedestal or sometimes even worse thinking they were knocked down further by those on the pedestal.

So cyberpunk I think is still gonna be accurate in the end. It's just comparing two ridiculously different things. Amazon Echo is not an fully functioning being.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Now imagine actual androids were taking jobs

Honestly to me that's the real crazy thing of the culture and system that's getting so frustrating. The work to survive is a product of a society that needed things to be done to make things move forward. If we figure out a way to say eliminate 99.9% of the need for work, are we going to turn things into say like many dystopia views, like the episode of black mirror where people were "working" by peddling on a bike, or the Jetsons where he sits around pushing the same button for hours.

Androids to me seem... meaningless for taking actual jobs. Most jobs don't need sentience or personality, they require the ability to follow instructions, do tasks and in some cases solve problems. The robots that will be mining rare earth minerals, or assembling chips etc.. shouldn't have any sentience or even need to communicate in complex ways.

IMO by the time thinking communicating androids are out... there won't be much real need for regular labor. 90% of Jobs will either be silly artificial tasks as pointless as bitcoin mining, or working will become something for a tiny handful of people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cyber punk is counter cultural. I think in these worlds when the protagonist resists the robot tech it's notable because the majority have mindlessly accepted it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ive noticed that the cyberpunk genre is widely misunderstood. That's likely intentional on behalf of corporations who really aren't served best by us fully embracing the cyberpunk attitude against corportations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Half of people don't even realize there's a genre beyond the A E S T H E T I C and video game

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"But.. I've got all cyan and magenta and nowhere else tonout it"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I would personally be way more comfortable befriending T.A.R.S or Blender than Eto Demerzel.

I also wish our robotic assistants hadn’t human voice, but something more truthful to what they are

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Didn't 1984 have those tv things?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Telescreens, yes, Orwell didn't anticipate that people would happily pay for them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ok but why is the twink android blushing? Is he stupid?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Because he's submissive (it's built to serve humans) and breedable (it's horny)