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History repeating itself (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 10 months ago (7 children)

The entire world is leaning so fricking right its saddening :(

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago

It's the only way to stop the evil transes and immigrants, they scare my tiny tiny mind

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. The far right party just won a lot of seat from the progressive one in my country. That doesn't feel good.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

which country?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Malaysia. We just had state election yesterday and the religion + racial supremacist party is making inroad toward the more progressive state.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All we want is people is be chill, why do people gotta be so angry at other people :(

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is this a serious question? People aren't really angry at other people, they are scared and angry about the situation their world is in. There's a few really bad apples, but most people are just scared they won't be able to pay their rent 2 years from now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I meant in terms of racism, sexism, homophobia. Why people gotta hate and fear "others". Just be chill with other people

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't say leaning right but making more people care less about voting?

After all it's easier to convince you all candidates suck than convince you to lean right?

[+] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And they did such a great job lmao

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's simply not right enough, considering there's free speech etc. laws. Even though some (many) members are straight up Nazis and openly express this, the party itself is technically not "too far"-right

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The sort of engineering only the Germans could accomplish

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Germany is so afraid of being authoritarian again, they won't ban a party that isn't

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

You're right. One of the most famous politicians of the AfD Björn Höcke can be called a Nazi/Facist without any consequences for you, since it isn't an insult because it's based on true evidence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imo only parties that violate the constituion should be banned.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

AfD politics violate the constitution in numerous ways, and the German institute for human rights says the party could be banned:

https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/14/should-germany-ban-afd-what-impact-could-this-have

Politically, it’s of course a risky maneuver, but the correct one if you ask me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's more complex than that. Simply banning it could make everything worse. First of all, banning a party is something that's very hard. It only happened twice in the history of Germany(except for the banning during the third Reich). Trying to bam them could make everything worse than it currently is, since it would look like the older parties are scared and try to keep their power. This could give the AfD a big boost. Another thing is, that in the case of a failure the AfD could use the fact they weren't banned to promote themselves as "Democrats" that don't want to do anything illegal. In the case it would be banned it would take exactly 2 weeks and you have at least 2 or three parties that do exactly the same and maybe would transform into one big party and we have the exact same problem. More effective would be to stop them from receiving money from the government(every party does that so that they can focus on their political work), or to not give the the possibility to enter the Bundestag(or to hold any other form of political office) as its the case with the NPD.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Of course it is complex. A few points:

If you ban a party in Germany, it’s automatically bans all „clones“ of that party, and all of its members in high functions can’t participate in these clones. Failure to comply would lead to an immediate ban of the clone. While I agree that eventually, a new far right with other people will probably form, it would take years for them to reorganize and they would have to be extremely careful. I believe that a ban would probably yield at least 10 years of far-right free politics.

Appeasement of the far right has failed every time in history, they will cannibalize every attempt to include them in any sort of „rational“ discourse. Banning parties is a lever that exists precisely because of Germany‘s history. IMHO it sends a strong message to all the non-far-right people (of which there are approx. 60-70%) that bullshit will not be tolerated.

In contrast, doing nothing signals that what the AfD is doing is fine and will move the discourse farther and farther right.

Stopping funding and preventing them from entering the Parliament is precisely what a ban would do, so I am not sure why the difference is between that and what you are suggesting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Where do the voters go?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

To hell hopefully

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Sadly that alredy almost happend, but with the same affect. They're now the AFD...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I think we should go round the streets and beat those fuckers back into their holes. Make Nazis afraid again!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wish there was a law or something that made it legal to kill all Nazis. Because violence is the only language they understand, as seen 80 years ago...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Holy shit

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

They tried that in the 20's and 30's in Germany. You know, OG Antifa, Iron Front and so on. Didn't work that time.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Ah nein, wir gehen hier weider

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Ach scheiße, geht wieder los

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait what poll is this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's usually this

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Yeah, looks to be since I see this graph on the site: label

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah well German politicians have really gone out of their way the past couple of years to make that happen. Setting off to tank the economy and self-righteously pushing away any and all criticism has never worked out well for anyone...