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Javascript can create atomic bombs (programming.dev)
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[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This makes absolutely no sense. Front ends that include JavaScript still use css.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Unless they don't, then it's all business. No frills, no style, no fuck around, only find out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only sites I can think of that don't look like they use css are motherfuckingwebsite.com and bjarne stroustrup's website.

Any site that uses JS for more than trivial things is going to be a disaster without styling of some kind.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah I agree. Best not to overthink a meme though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

no frills? javascript is frills

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Maybe, but they don't need to. You could write an HTML styling engine in JS if you wanted to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

sometimes

Personally I hate CSS and the last several websites I created had plenty of JS.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago

Problem: Oppenheimer, unlike JavaScript, was actually competent.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

Would be funnier if it was just “JS” on the right, because obviously HTML and CSS are involved too, but JS is where all hell breaks loose

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mid 90s HTML pre CSS:

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Now it's: I AM THE FLEXBOX!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

bro we're on css grid now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Around flexbox is when I stopped caring about CSS, so it's the last one I know. Is the grid better?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm not sure either, fork bombs are a thing you could probably do in JavaScript, but I don't know of a thing called an Atomic Bomb in programming? I think if you put lots of atomic operations you've just reinvented single threaded programming but with more overhead

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

If you've seen the Barbie movie, there's a scene where America Ferrera rants about the paradoxes in the expectations on women. The whole "be strong but not pushy" thing.

That's CSS.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait, I'm CSS?

I don't get it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

CSS is coloring and styling in programming, Ma'am.. It fits to describe the Barbie movie because of its vibrant colors

JS is about logic and calculations.. More like science in Oppenheimer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

But I'm not cascading though...

Not normally, anyways. 💖

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll have you know that CSS is Turing complete

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Just because it's turing complete, DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD TURE WITH IT.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

How many people who post JS BAD memes could provide a single example of why it's bad without looking it up?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It was made in 10 days, its type system is a mess, its syntactic shit, and there are just better replacements out there that will never see the light of day due to how big its already gotten

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

well if you consider its not finished yet, it was actually made in 27 years.

still not good tho

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I use it regularly (web dev). A lot of complaints and mockery stems from using it badly. None of the programming languages that are regularly the butt of everyone's jokes force you to use them badly, they just allow you to. If you follow good practices, you'll be just fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Many of the programming languages that are regularly the butt of everyone's jokes don't just allow you to use them badly, they make it easy to do so, sometimes easier than using them well.
This is not a good thing. A good language should

  • be well suited to the task at hand
  • be easy to use correctly
  • be hard to use incorrectly

The reality is that the average software developer barely knows best practices, much less how to apply them effectively.
This fact, combined with languages that make it easy to shoot yourself in the foot leads to lots of bad code in the wild.

Tangentially related rant
We should attack this problem from both directions: improve developers but also improve languages.
Sometimes that means replacing them with new languages that are designed on top of years of knowledge that we didn't have when these old languages were being designed.

There seems to be a certain cynicism (especially from some more senior developers) about new languages.
I've heard stuff like: every other day a new programming language is invented, it's all just a fad, they add nothing new, all the existing languages could already do all the things the new ones can, etc.
To me this misses the point. New languages have the advantage of years of knowledge accrued in the industry along with general technological advancements, allowing them to be safer, more ergonomic, and more efficient.
Sure, we can also improve existing languages (and should, and do) but often times for one reason or another (backwards compatibility, implementation effort, the wider technological ecosystem, dogma, politics, etc.) old quirks and deficiencies stay.

Even for experienced developers who know how to use their language of choice well, there can be unnecessary cognitive burden caused by poor language design. The more your language helps you automatically avoid mistakes, the more you can focus on actually developing software.

We should embrace new languages when they lead to more good code and less bad code.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  • be easy to use correctly
  • be hard to use incorrectly

C++ has entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Which subset of C++ specifically? That thing's ridiculously huge.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) 
<span>Please enable JavaScript to use this app</span>
document.getElementById("noscript").style.display = 'none';document.getElementById("noscript-info-with-bold-text").style.fontWeight = 'bold';document.getElementById("status__content__text").textContent="JS ecosystem is all hack upon hack upon hack upon hack. We love hacks, but don't want to relay on them to access my bank or watch a movie. Just send me a webpage, not a soup of obfuscated, impossible to edit scripts that assemble god sake app. That's the reason we can't have new browser engines anymore, try to disable one wrong thing and whole app breaks. Browsers are made as interactive documents viewers, not disposable operating systems.";
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The meme was not about bad or good.. It's about Colors (CSS = Barbie), and Complexity (JS = Oppenheimer)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

WAT?

also, humans are really bad at rote memorization and this is a bad metric for you to use, in life.

Ask people on the street why NOx is bad. What about an easy one like methane? Or how about asking someone whether driving your car for 30 miles or eating a hamburger is worse for the environment (yes, its obviously the hamburger). Etc, etc, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (10 children) 
var bomb = []
for(var i = 0; i === -1; i++){
  bomb.push(i)
}
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

A lot of antivirus programs have trouble stopping malicious JS files too.

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