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New technology (lemmy.world)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Haha, there's still things embedded deep in code and in CPUs that go way back to the 80s. If only y'all knew. It's all shit built on top of older shit, built on top of even older shit with kludges and hacks to glue it all together. Know why Windows has five different ways to access the same setting? Because if they get rid of the older methods, they break a ton of other shit that depends on it too. A house of cards or a Jenga tower.

A modern PC can STILL natively boot a DOS floppy from 1986 in legacy BIOS mode because of this.

Theres also examples in the corporate world where some companies are STILL running 70s mainframes, and use shiny new PCs as front end terminals that just connect to the same old backend.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The control panel peaked at windows 7 though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

everything Windows peaked with Windows 7.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imma gonna stop you there and say the peak was Windows 2000.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Windows 2000 was definitely peak, for its time.

but Windows 7 eclipsed it, and remains the best microsoft OS.. I will fight and die on this hill <3

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

If we ignore the spontaneous BSOD, Windows 98 had the best performance among all systems lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Seriously, each new windows update just adds a fresh new coat of paint on top, as if to make finding the actually useful win 7 and xp menus, that are still there, harder.

Linux Mint feels to me like what windows 10/11 should've been

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, just don't look deeper into symlinks in NTFS . And don't look for extended file attributes in task scheduler.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This is super interesting and I had NO IDEA! Makes me very curious how much more efficient an entire fresh start might be with new tech.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah I can't even think of any recent CPUs that aren't based on previous designs. Even Apple's new M1 is an ARM derivative, which itself is based on an ancient computer from the 80s known as the "Acorn".

It's a bit poetic. They were directly competing with Apple at the time, and Acorn named themselves such so that they would appear in front of Apple in the phone book. Of course, they haven't existed in a long time, but 35-40 years later, Apple decides to use the great-grandson of Acorn's CPU in their new products.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

This is one of the reasons why Linux doesn't have a stable in-kernel API (or ABI for that matter): https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

CPU architecture wise, you can see the difference between cluttered, old x86 and ARM or even RISC-V chips. They just run so much more efficient, as you can tell with your phone lasting a day or two, or apple silicon consuming a fraction for the same performance.

An example for the ancient backend would be the flight pathing system DAL. (Wendover video)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Fresh starts are always tempting, but they mean throwing out a ton of babies with that bathwater. Re-making old mistakes and solving them with fresh kludges in your nice, new, clean solution.

Like everything else in engineering, it's a balancing act.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Hell, the world still runs on an instruction set first designed for a 1976 CPU

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Neanderthal Technology File System

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Not That Fresh System

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

It's newer than FAT (1977)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The guy in charge of thinking of a new acronym probably retired 10 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

There's actually a retired microsoft engineer who makes very interesting videos about these kinds of things: https://www.youtube.com/@DavesGarage

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It was probably Dave or somebody he worked with lol. Super interesting videos talking about tech stuff, windows, and what MS was like during his time

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

But they change UI design every time Bill farts

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Never name anything with "New" in the name, it will look silly after a few years.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Join Ext4!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Or APFS

It’s open source too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I lean more towards butter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What?

I'm sure it's still proprietary.

APFS, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

You’re right.

That’s weird because I still remember the keynote where it was announced and I use an OS lib on Linux that I was sure was maintained by Apple.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Why didn't they still not roll it out for general userbase?

Edit: Confused it with Microsofts new fs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

They did.

It’s up to OS developers to implement it or not on their OSes

I use libsfapfs on Linux, but as always when Apple does anything open source, the Linux community hates it

Darwin WebKit Swift and its compiler APFS ALAC …

The only widely used open source project from Apple that I know is CUPS

The only things in macOS that are not open source are related to its GUI.

But you know… Apple bad as usual

As a developer, most of Linux users I know develop in Java and dual-boot on Windows to play games.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, new technology because it was the file system for Windows NT, which originally stood for.... Windows New Technology.

Later Microsoft decided to just use NT as a moniker without any indication of it's origins.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Me and my mates used to say it was short for "Not Tested". Oh, how we laughed

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

how dare you bring this common sense to the guffahery!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

New York be like:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ReFS is a thing, but apparently not intended as a replacement (?)

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/refs/refs-overview

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Apparently Microsoft is going to move win 11 to refs but idk when. For all we know it might be in windows 12 only

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Good to know.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Wasn’t that supposed to be come out with Longhorn? Wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Hey! 30 isn't that old... Right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

New? Still can't read ext4 fs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It was new at the time. Anyway, what is the best file system to use nowadays? zfs?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I think zfs is very popular with the honeserver crowd, but its not worth the hassle for desktop use. If you want something more fancy than ext4 there is btrfs which lets you take snapshots and checksums the data to detect corruption

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

ZFS is brilliant and all, as long as you only add disks, too bad if you want to rearrange your disks, you have to buy a new set of disks and move the data.

Btrfs is much better for home use, combine your old 3, 4 and 8tb disks into one, buy a new 16tb disk you add it and remove the 3tb disk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Depends on usecase. Just works: ext3/4.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, it's still way better than Fat, but incredibly incompatible with a lot of things still and new usb drives are always FAT. Shame ntfs didn't catch on more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

External storage is always FAT, because everything can read FAT, so it just makes life easier for file transfers.

Not because NTFS/ext4/etc doesnt work on usb sticks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but that's the shame. Ntfs been around for decades, would be great for usb as it allows faster transfer speeds and more secure. Would have been nice if more devices included it so it wasn't such a compatibility barrier.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

The hardest problem in computer science is naming things. And counting things.

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