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The title is a bit over dramatic but, per the title, if you could contribute with one piece of knowledge to a book that every single individual should learn from in order to kickstart a civilization, what would be yours?

My personal choice would be the process of soap making, from scratch.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago

Professional scientist here. I would take a table of logarithms. In a world without computers, the logarithm table and slide rule are the essential tools of how things got built. We built the Golden Gate Bridge and put a man on the moon using nothing more than log tables.

Any one person can remember the gist of the scientific method and write it down on a page. To write down a quality logarithm table you would need 500 pages.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Resist the urge to fall in line behind a β€œstrong man.” Once a community is beholden to an individual, it’s tainted.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

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But seriously - no religions allowed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There will always be religion, especially if and when the civilized world ends.

A better way would be just to remind everyone that there were countless religions before and that they were all man made, corrupted and fell apart after a certain amount of time.

Remind everyone that there is no one true religion because there never was one before, there isn't one now and there never will be be one.

But I'm afraid that as much as we'll try .... people will always be dumb enough to want to believe in fairy tales, an after life, eternal bliss / hell and that one group is better than another.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Remind everyone that there is no one true religion because there never was one before, there isn’t one now and there never will be be one.

"Yes, all the religions before were false, but ours is the right one!"

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Good luck on that. For what we can tell, it is a part of our makeup. But we could aspire to less asinine systems of belief.

"Spirituality is not religion. Religion divides people; belief in something unites."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

The scientific method, we’ll be able to extract most information of the world around with just that and time

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Two lines:

"Axiomatically, those with the greatest material wealth will do everything to enrich themselves further. They must fail."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can periodically dust the book. When I'm not dusting, I can stand somewhere conspicuous, and say "This way to the book" if asked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Can I give you holiday cover? I’d like this job, like some sort of holy librarian.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

The All Mighty Guardian of the Book, Keeper of Knowledge.

You will also be required to know it by memory cover to cover and read it on request for anyone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Brewing beer. It might not be "essential," but the apocalypse is gonna be bad enough, might as well have beer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Apocolpse probably needs something stronger like distilling skills.

Or how to make edibles.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Distillation alone would be useful for disinfection and conservation.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Beer brewing fits right in with sanitation that a lot of us are pushing.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Basic logic gates for the most basic computational math As well as binary, octal, hexadecimal systems

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure you can make logic gates with water so maybe that'll be of some use

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Omg will they have redstone? :3

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I wonder if a book along these lines already exists. The nearest I can think of is The Art of Manliness website.

I would probably buy a book that covered a lot of the basic skills needed for a society if it were done well. I want to try a lot of those things like smelting, house construction, metalworking, etc. I'm sure books exist for each of these but I doubt one book tries to give overviews of all.

Also an interesting question: What ARE the skills needed for a civilization? Start from skills needed when dropped off alone in the wilderness and work your way up to "needing" bureuacrats.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There's also the "How To Make Everything" YouTube channel. I wonder if the guy that runs that has written a book yet? If not, he should.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No person can grant you rights. Rights are those things you are capable of doing for yourself providing it doesn’t infringe on the liberty of another. You are physically capable of speaking and thinking. Of moving, of tending to property, of attempting to defend yourself, your family, those who request assistance, and your property. You can build anything you have the knowledge and means to build. You have the right to determine your own safety, this includes what you ingest and any precautions you opt out of. What is not your rights are anything that limits the liberties and rights of another person or property.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

"Your rights are what you can take and defend by yourself" is the logic of sociopaths and warlords, not civilization.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Some of the inventions that historically took way longer than you'd expect: the shoe, the wheelbarrow, and the stirrup.

Also archival techniques so that history's not as messy the next time around.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

This exercise recurs regularly and there have been a few formulations.

One of the big ones is atomic theory. It took a long time to figure out - and I’m intentionally discounting the Greek version and monads here because I’m talking about actual atomic theory and not a philosophy of essences.

Darwinian evolution and Mendelian genetics are a second option, especially if you could squeeze in things like the germ theory of disease.

I’m not familiar enough with pure math to say that there’s one concept that would have let the Greeks or Mesopotamians develop the calculus millennia earlier than we did, but that would also massively accelerate scientific progress.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can't help but feel soap making itself wouldn't be as much use as why/when to use it?

Mixing oil with the ashy water (which is as simple as soap's gonna get) is reasonably easy to do and so useful that even without a civilisation people would probably be doing it either through discovery or by keeping doing it?

I think things like "how to build a wooden bridge so it will hold a laden cart and not fall down" are more likely to be lost without civilisation while still being incredibly useful (although I can't say I'd be very good for that)

I might add a section on refrigeration methods like zeers or wind towers/yakhchāls if the civilisation would be somewhere hot and dry, otherwise maybe something on using rivers for powering looms, mills etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the instructions for how to make soap would be less important to a civilization than why to make soap. Germ theory and basic hygiene practices would save a lot of lives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I feel like we’re still working on this lol. The amount of people who don’t properly wash their hands is really nasty.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I was going to add "and notion of basic hygiene" but refrained from it as it be breaking my own guideline.

Amendement: one thing, with the necessary context to make understable to role in the civilization

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Since I mentioned it in a response to another poster:

I would include everything I know (or had access to for the sake of this scenario) about germ theory. Admittedly my own off-hand knowledge is not much, but basic hygiene and sanitation and how to avoid getting sick would save a lot of lives. What germs are, how vaccination works, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Combination of food safety and basic food recipes/methods of cooking for every biome.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Does it count if I have been keeping a copy of all the Kiwix releases and could submit those documents? It would certainly be one hell of a kickstart.

Otherwise, screw civilization... Here's how you build and tune a trebuchet (yeah I have a bit of experience with the construction, as long as someone else supplies the rope).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

What is and how to fight for Democracy.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I would need to do a lot of adjusting for being made over a fire and do a whole lot of temperature, time, pot used, and ingredient amount/type used, but I could provide a cheesy tuna noodle casserole recipe.

Obviously this restarted civilization probably wouldn't have canned goods, an oven, a stove, a 9x13 glass pan, a clock for timing, and spray oil, so I would have to adjust the recipe to account for all of that before submitting it for that type of book.

Though, what I assume would be the hardest ingredient to come by would definitely be the cream of mushroom and cream of chicken.

Edit:

Looked up what exactly goes into cream of mushroom and it still probably would be the hardest to get due to the diversity of ingredients depending on the recipe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

'If you have no store-bought cream, hunted and foraged is fine'

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why allowing elbows on the table is the first pebble in the avalanche downfall of society. /s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Author: my mother

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

how to make good anesthetics. the horrors of medical interventions without anesthesia blows my mind.

maybe something about dentistry too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Laws of Electromagnetism

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

As many works and studies about morality and ethics as possible, because god knows we threw those out the window long ago, and it's biting our asses now. I'd also add an emphasis on John Rawls' works, particularly "Justice as Fairness: Political not Metaphysical" and "A Theory of Justice".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Who's ready to learn a lot about fermentation?!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure there is anything I could contribute that someone else couldn't. Probably basic germ theory?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

The sign of a ball with three rays shall be repulsive for thee, thou shalt not enter any shelter nor edifice with the sign of a ball with three rays, nor destroy spoken buildings.

And to react to @[email protected] I would probably be able to write some primitive method of computing the logarithms.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Don’t. Civilization kinda fucked the planet and is the reason you live in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

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