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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You're not piloting a bone mech, you are it.

It feels like you're behind your face looking out into the world but once you pay close attention and look for what's looking you'll discover there's nothing there. There's no "you" in a sense that there's someone behind the wheel. There's just consciousness. It feels like something to be. A subjective experience.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

WHERE IS THE PAINLESS OFF BUTTON!?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

That's called a massive dose of opiates. You are highly unlikely to reboot after complete shutdown, so it's generally not recommended.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Pain is mandatory, suffering is optional.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hey Sam Harris is that you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is he getting the credit for ancient scripture these days? Interesting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

'Look for what's looking' is something he often says in his daily meditation sessions on the Waking Up app, which famously frustrates people. 'There's just consciousness and its content' is also a direct quote from him.

Neither of these he probably came up with by himself, but that's his way (and in my view, the best way) of saying it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Oh, sure, I'm familiar with the logic; I've meditated for years. And this is one of Buddhism's core revelations:

There’s no “you” in a sense that there’s someone behind the wheel.

It's very true of course, regardless of who is saying it - Sam, the Buddha, or anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, I'm not on social media anymore.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So if gut bacteria have a serious influence on the brain's behavior, does that make us cyborgs driving a mech?

Source https://jneuroinflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12974-020-1705-z

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It makes us an ECOSYSTEM!

We’re not really “human” we”re more like… … a planet.

or a forest, at least (soil, mycelium, roots, microbes, ferns, shrubs, squirrels, trees, clouds, rain, rivers…)

(imho)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

My vessel is an ecosystem..... you could really get use to saying that lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

This opinion is beautiful and I will now choose to follow it. It almost makes one feel a kinship with the eyelash mites.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Then why I die from liver failure.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Every death is just brain damage. Now that can be either caused by physical trauma or (more commonly) oxygen stops reaching the brain for one reason or another. Oh and I guess sometimes a virus or a tumor invades the brain and eats up most of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Oh and I guess sometimes a virus or a tumor invades the brain and eats up most of it.

Rabies being the most common I think

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I call my blood balloon stick mech The Vessel.

The Vessel is fucked up, but the spirit piloting the mess is doing great.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I’m 14 and this blew my mind

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

It's that tominoesque thing, saying it's gundam when it's actually just giant robot anime.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

How did that URL image embedding work again?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I dunno. Organic space suit implies that the nervous system could survive independently of it. But it can't.

You need to get blood to the brain, so you need a heart. That blood needs oxygen so you need lungs. You need some way of getting energy to these systems, so you need a digestive system, which starts at your lips and forms a frighteningly long tunnel that ends at your butt. Now you're introducing weird shit to your blood beyond just oxygen so you need a few systems to keep the blood clean. Now you've got all kinds of different needs and so you have other orgasms to keep those organs alive and functioning. Oh and because your blood is also alive, it dies and you need a way to make more. Quite efficiently this is done in your bones. But for the sake of argument let's say this is possible without the bones themselves.

I'd say the space suit starts at the immune system, and ends at the skin, which is really an extension of the immune system but there's muscle in there. You could, theoretically, survive without any muscle or skin, or even an immune system in a clean environment, as long as you had a way to obtain calories and Oxygen independently. Though going to the bathroom would be hard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You can't really live without a space suit. That's why you wear the space suit in the first place.

Maybe if we moved to an environment more suitable to our nervous system, we wouldn't need our meat suit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

You realize that this is a joke?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Seems we could provide all that artificially

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

both of you PLEASE put a CW warning on that

not everyone has huge screens so we tap it and then ::vomit::

CW morbid human nervous system anatomy, decoupled from rest of body

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

both of you PLEASE put a CW warning on that

not everyone has huge screens so we tap it and then ::vomit::

CW morbid human nervous system anatomy, decoupled from rest of body

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

What's the line from Cruelty Squad? "I am a meat automaton animated by neurotransmitters?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But where are you really? Behind your eyes? We become aware of sensations in the body but how can they be above or below us? The sensory data just is, there's no place we receive it from, it just appears and then disappears. Any label we put on this is just a convenient conceptual overlay that attempts to make sense of it and give it meaning. There is no meaning, only emptiness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I sense injuries. The data could be called pain.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Indeed. Sometimes we get injured and don't notice it. Other times we feel pain and there is no injury. We're attempting to make sense of experience by applying concepts to what we feel. It's the reason why chronic pain management using drugs is unsustainable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

The title sounds like carrot weather

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I mean. The motors are meat to. You would die without your skin but if you did not you could still move technically but the bones won't do anything on their own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

We are just quarks in a void doing whatever we want.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

What a terribly reductionist POV.

A few antidotes:

study and learn Somatic Experiencing. (Where in your body do you feel a given emotion ? Where is tension felt? where is relaxation felt? where is sadness felt? )

study some real yoga (not stretching

but actual yoga ie meditation breath-work soma practices )

  • The Lives of a Cell (1970s? 1980s? Lewis Carrol, iirc)

  • The Hidden Life of Trees (2016)

  • The Dawn of Everything : A New History of Humanity (D. Graeber and D. Wengrow)

  • Being Bodies

  • Somatic Experiencing

  • Sex At Dawn

  • The Story of B (Daniel Quinn)