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Developers of indie puzzle game Orgynizer have claimed that Unity said organisations like Planned Parenthood are "not valid charities" and are instead "political groups."

In a blog post, the EU-based developer LizardFactory said the plans to charge developers up to $0.20 per install if they reach certain thresholds would cost them "around 30% of the funds we have gathered and already sent to charity."

As Unity clarified the runtime fee will not apply to charity games, LizardFactory reached out to the company to clarify their game would be exempt from the plan.

However, Unity reportedly said their partners were not "valid charities" and were viewed as "political groups."

Profits made from the game go directly to non-profit organisation Planned Parenthood and C.S. Mott Children's Hospital, Michigan.

"We did this to raise money for a good cause, not to line the coffers of greedy scumbags," the developers wrote in a blog post. "We have been solid Unity fanboys for over ten years, but the trust is scattered all over the floor."

The developers are considering a move to open-source game engine Godot, "but we will have to recode our entire game because we refuse to give you a dime," they wrote. "This is a mafia-style shakedown, nothing more, nothing less."

Today, Unity responded to the ongoing backlash and apologised, acknowledging the "confusion and angst" surrounding the runtime fee policy.

The company has promised that changes to the policy will be shared in "a couple of days."

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 9 months ago (4 children)

“Charity” should be a question answered by “do they have a registered charity number?”

What’s considered a charity will differ country by country.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago

Only valid answer. If there's a valid document stating charity status, no other discussion is needed.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago

That would require them to care enough to figure out how to verify if something is a registered charity and what they are called in each country. Some countries don't even have the concept of registered charity in any form.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Planned Parenthood is a US institution, and a registered 501c3 non-profit charity, as defined by the IRS.

Though I can't blame anyone for not wanting to dip their toes into the absolute shitstorm that is modern partisan politics in the US.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, and you do that by looking up the tax status. As long as it's considered a non-profit by the government, that's it. That's as non-political as you can get.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

That's as non-political as you can get.

Well you simply couldn't be more wrong about that. The NFL was a charity not too long ago. I'm sure there are Christian conversion therapy "charities", too. "Charity" is nothing more than a tax status. You can make a charity for anything, so long as you keep your finances appropriately.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

I assume the NFL is/was a 501c6 tax exempt organization since it calls out football leagues specifically.

You'd be looking for 501c3 organizations which does include churches and other dubious religious affiliated organizations but not all federal non-profits.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Right wing groups in the US made Planned Parenthood a political issue. It doesn't make it a political organization.

I feel sorry for Unity because I want them to be profitable and all that. However, they have a greedy prick for a CEO and one of the dumbest change rollouts I've seen (Twitter has been crazy bad lately too) at this scale. It wipes away any empathy for them and makes you yearn for their collapse.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Devs may as well bite the bullet & switch engines mid development now, because I'm not buying any new games made in Unity.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

Yup. I'm not either.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This (Unity change not your statement) will be a shank at the back of most indie devs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right--the AAA studios will just consider if they should use Unreal or an in-house engine. They'll put it all in a big spreadsheet and come to a conclusion.

Indie devs that are on Unity are going to get hurt by this scheme. They'll also get hurt if you don't buy their games because they're in Unity. The choices here aren't great.

The one thing is Unreal seems to have been preferred for a while now, anyway. Unity was already losing market share, and is now only going to accelerate that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

If you’re doing 2D, some devs have been actively documenting the migration from Unity to Godot to make things easier for others to follow suit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

The list of games I can't buy is too damn long. Like anything else in the modern age you're forced to support unethical business practices or withdraw from the industry altogether (if you even can).

Can buy games from EA or Activision/Blizzard/Microsoft/Xbox or Ubisoft, or anything made with Unity, or anything with Denuvo, or anything with anti-cheat, or anything that's online-only. Did I leave anything out?

Steam Deck + boring indie games is what we're left with until gamers get together and collectively stop supporting the atrocity that is modern gaming.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So we're currently at the 'apology that actually makes things worse' phase, which means just a few more days until 'unconditional surrender but even so nobody will ever trust you again'

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is their downfall hiring that CEO and the leadership should be ashamed. I feel sorry for the employees who had no say in this and are being affected by their myopic choices.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wish someone would put up a huge donation to Godot and offer to hire a number of these engine devs. I'm sure there's a ton of talented devs who would be willing to take a pay cut to work on a more open alternative.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A bunch of people contributing a little bit each month would also be huge:

https://www.patreon.com/godotengine

  • I'm not associated with the dev team, but I use Godot for my projects and send back some money voluntarily
[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Please use the Godot Development Fund so more of your contribution goes to Godot.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Starting to think unity doesn't have a pr team

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

I think this is their PR team.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unity is working on hanging itself

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well I’m not going to buy any more Unity games, and I’m going to uninstall any Unity games I have. Fuck those guys.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Lol could Unity have bungled this any harder??

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They really want to kill themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The unity CEO is an arsonist as he's set ablaze the whole company. Guy should be investigated for fraud and malfeasance.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

he is challenging Elon Musk to a fuck (up) off. who can burn a company to the ground faster.

I think the Unity CEO is winning, but hard to tell, because next to Twitter, Musk is also fucking with Tesla and SpaceX

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

By responding with judgment (e.g. your charitable donations are invalid ) Unity is showing how other devs can expect to be treated when they try to negotiate with Unity on a case-by-case basis.

This shows Unity is looking for bad faith reasons by which to justify rejecting exceptions to the fees. It's a bad idea to expect exception to the new fees, even in the face of bankruptcy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I can understand Planned Parenthood maybe, heavily disagree, but whatever.

But a children's hospital? How could that ever be classed as a "political group"?

What a joke.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's like he heard that there was no such thing as bad publicity and took that is literally as he possibly could

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

He worked for EA. He has no idea how the industry works.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Well as if it wasn't already obvious they were headed by conservatives...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

As if I needed another reason not to use Unity.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

planned parenthood is political yadda yadda yadda, but a children's hospital?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Planned parenthood shouldn't be political. In a few years drinking water well be seen as a policial statement against brawndo

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

It's only political because Conservative Christians made it one.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's a registered 501c3. Whatever anybody's opinions, it's a legal charity.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Seriously. I could see some right-wing shithead complaining about "evil" abortions, but who doesn't wanna save the lives of post-pregnancy children? Oh, that's right. Right-wing shitheads. As always.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are no child hospitals in the Bible 😡😡😡/s

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Idk why anyone trusts peddlers of proprietary bullshit

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I can’t speak for the EU, but in the US charities are federally recognized and there are tax deductions available for donating to them. This being said, it depends on what specific “Planned Parenthood” you donate to.

Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) works to support health care providers at Planned Parenthood health centers across the country, educate the public on issues of reproductive and sexual health, and advocate for policy to expand access to health care. PPFA is a 501(c)(3) organization, and donations are tax-deductible to the fullest extent allowable under the law.

Planned Parenthood Action Fund (PPAF) is the advocacy and political arm of Planned Parenthood, fighting to advance and expand access to sexual health care and defend reproductive rights. PPAF is a 501(c)(4) organization, and donations are not tax-deductible as a charitable contribution or business expense.

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