Sure, let's just take the German voice of state propaganda at its word about Russian propaganda. That's gone super well in the past.
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Finally! Someone has to fight against US propaganda there.
Explain to me what's so great about you supporting Russia's propaganda in discrediting Zelenksy and Ukraines war efforts defending their own homes against warcriminals and aggressors?!
Someone has to counter the greatest propaganda machine in the world built and operated by the US to manage its global empire and many decades of bloodletting, massacres, tortures, slavery, environmental devastation, genocides, and its astronomical body count.
And yes, that same propaganda machine is the one that taught you everything you know about Zelensky and Ukraine, as they've been propagandizing the entire world about Ukraine since it was a part of the USSR. You are literally sitting in a century-long stream of American disinformation on the region. Which is why you think American newspapers crowing about "Russian disinformation" is worthy of anything other than ridicule and derision.
There's nothing inherently bad about propaganda. The problem with Russian propaganda is that it's trying to justify a brutal invasion that has killed hundreds of thousands of people, among them children buried in rubble by missile strikes. The US did the same after it's invasion of Iraq. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
The US has been using propaganda to justify it's atrocities, genocides, mass murders, environmental devastations, scores of violent coups, invasions, use of chemical and nuclear weapons against civilians, torture, enslavement, human trafficking, war profiteering, and massive body count for over a century. Far worse, for far longer, and far more deadly than anything Russia or the USSR has ever done.
You're right that propaganda is inherently neutral. When Euro-centric news outlets complain about Russian propaganda, it's completely and utterly without standing, as most of them are part of the US propaganda machine in big or small ways. These complaints are worthy of nothing but ridicule.
This argument is literally taken out of a" Russian propaganda for dummies' textbook.
Also what are you even saying: because USA did some bad in the past , though Russia has been doing very bad lately, Yet because it's not USA, Ruzzia is good? They have truly a fascist state man.
If you want to live in an illusion, enjoy, just be be mindful & respectful of the ones who have been suffering because of constant Russian shelling, killings and bombs. This isn't about USA, but you want to make it about them. Talking about being obsessed or something.
USA has never stopped doing some bad, ever. It is founded entirely on doing bad. It continues to do bad to this day. It is literally engaged in mass murder daily and lying about it. It's non fucking stop mass murder at the hands of USA globally and their propaganda system has poisoned nearly every single communication company you can name. Russian propaganda could never hold a candle to what the USA is doing every single day.
You say that Russia has a fascist state, yet ignore that Hitler, in Mein Kampf, literally said his vision was to replicate the US system in Europe and target the Slavs the way the USA actively oppressed the indigenous peoples in the Americas. What could literally be more fascist than the USA? It is literally the thing from which European fascism emerged and when European fascism was defeated, it was the USA (and the Vatican) that distributed Nazis into normal society, appointed them as generals of NATO, and brought them into positions of influence and power.
It was the US that developed and deployed nuclear and chemical weapons and committed the first generational mass murders in the world, literally dooming millions of future children to violent deaths from the poisons they deployed.
When NATO bombed Yugoslavia citing "humanitarian aid", they dropped thousands of tons of depleted uranium on urban populations, and the region has the highest rates of fatal cancers, childhood cancers, and violent birth defects. The US literally murders and tortures children before they are born.
The idea that a proxy war between USA and Russia isn't about USA is ridiculous. If you want to live in an illusion, enjoy, but be mindful and respectful of the people in South America who have been tortured, mass murdered, completely displaced and who have been under cultural genocide and complete environmental devastation from the US via direct and indirect military action, training and arming death squads, funding and supporting fascist coups, and dumping millions of tons of toxic waste, and dooming millions to deaths of poverty and neglect through deliberate political action - all of it covered entirely by USA propaganda.
Forgive me if I think it's disgusting when Eurocentric news outlets cry about Russian propaganda. They all deserve to be completely dismantled, and they will be eventually.
If you want to cry at USA for something they did, do it. But we are crying in Europe for what Ruzzia is doing right now in Europe.
And, the whole of EU supports Ukraine. As they are our good neighbours. So why the fuck would you someone talking about power abuses, have no respect for Ukrainians which are literally seeing whole cities destroyed on a daily basis.
I'd expect considering your tales, that you have at least would've some empathy for the victims of power abuse. Bur, no, it's all about your opinion. Me myself and I . Just wonder what your mentor Lenin would say that to that.
You are crying for Ukraine which is dying because the US is using it as a proxy in a war against Russia. This is the violence done to all proxies in all proxy wars. The proxies are trapped between the bigger powers. It is very sad what is happening to Ukraine. Russia and US are at war but the battlefield is Ukraine and 99% of US personnel are Ukrainian and 100% of US collateral damage are Ukrainian. Just like every conflict the US adds weapons to, it only gets more bloody and more hopeless. The US created this conflict, it created the battlefield, it created the training and the munitions, it refuses to allow negotiations, it has a strategic goal of harming Russia. It literally says it almost every month through its various mouth pieces.
We all cry for Ukraine, but some of us know where the real blame lies.
What are you waffling about? Did the US force Russia to invade Ukraine? If course not, the Russians invaded, Ukraine asked for aid to defend themselves and Europe/the US are providing the aid because it's the right thing to do.
Unless you've brought into the US libertarians nonsense that we should be encouraging peace, but have no idea of how that would work as this way is only going to end with the Russians leaving or the Ukrainians surrendering land which they won't do.
What are you waffling about?
You don't know what waffling means.
Did the US force Russia to invade Ukraine?
Strawman
the Russians invaded, Ukraine asked for aid to defend themselves and Europe/the US are providing the aid because it’s the right thing to do.
Completely naive understanding of the world.
Unless you’ve brought into the US libertarians nonsense
Ad hominem
we should be encouraging peace
I am
this way is only going to end with the Russians leaving or the Ukrainians surrendering land which they won’t do
Ukrainians will surrender land as soon as the North Atlantic stops feeding them weapons. And the sooner that happens, the fewer Ukrainians will die and the less additional damage the country will incur.
Fight it with russian propaganda? Do you realise that it's WAY worse?
Literally nothing in the last 500 years is worse than the North Atlantic campaign of global genocide, racial capitalism, settler colonialism, environmental devastation, psychological warfare, mass murder, sexual violence, and utter subjugation of 80% of the planet. The US is the pinnacle of that subjugation and violence. Russia cannot hold a candle to the US's global violence. No, it is impossible for Russian propaganda to be worse in any way.
Hoooly fucking shit, the brainwashing.
Said the russophobe who literally went to school with ideological indoctrination to the person who also went through the same indoctrination and disagrees with them despite never having gone through Russian indoctrination programs.
I mean, in some sense you're correct, you just don't understand what brainwashing is. It's not breaking someone's mind with lies, which is what your indoctrination tells you it is. Brainwashing was a term coined to describe the process of removing indoctrination, literally washing the brain. You believe what you have believed since childhood because you were indoctrinated into those beliefs and have not washed your brain yet. I am brainwashed, because I went through similar enough schooling that you did but I have changed my beliefs through a difficult and emotional process of challenging my beliefs and discovering which ones were placed there by indoctrination. I washed my brain, and I am sure that I am not yet done with all of the false beliefs placed in me by my upbringing but I am working on it.
This is terrible, and Russia should be punished for it.
The correct way of influencing Spanish-speaking countries is to install fascist puppet dictatorships. Arming and bank-rolling right-wing militias is also accepted, you won't be getting DW articles about that.
Having suffered and grown up under an American vs Russia proxy war, keep them all the fuck out of Latin America please
What do your indigenous neighbors think of you?
Lol, this is straight up bullshit, there's no fucking source for anything, it's not even an article, it's a video where its "proof" is that some Spanish speakers called Ukrainians nazis (disculpenos yanquis si aca en latinoamerica no nos tragamos la mierda a palazos como lo hacen en el norte) and then goes on to CITE EXPERTS AND THEY SHOW A CLIP OF ANOTHER OF THEIR VERY OWN VIDEOS AND YOU'RE TELLING ME RUSSIANS ARE SPREADING DISINFORMATION BY JESUS CHRIST.