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I swear, ~~every time~~ most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.

They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I'd like to try exposing them before responding and interacting..

I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I've started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they're burner bot loser accounts.

I guess i just want to say I've noticed it!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Voyager has a setting to show a baby emoji next to the name of a user if their account is less than a month old and an account age. Probably one of the best features I've ever seen for immediately recognizing troll accounts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

There's already an issue on lemmy-ui for it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I find at least one commenter with a new account on almost every post with more than 5 comments.

They tend to be negative.

Think I'm going to start welcoming them to Lemmy, note their activity to date, and ask them nicely what might have brought them to join. (If they are real, glad to have them, but I have found most Lemmy members came here from Reddit, not to make accounts to post in News or Politics or such places trolls would like.)

Until Lemmy updates to identify new accounts ala Voyager, I think that would be helpful to inform other users they may be talking to a troll.

There are approximately 433k accounts but only 48k Monthly Active Users.

It's hard to believe that many of posts and comments are often the newest accounts, and though they will change tactics to using older accounts, at least it's more work for them.

I recommend others do the same.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, now that you spend half your time on Lemmy being a narc, have you considered moving on to actually contributing meaningful comments and content, or are you content with just being a stool-pigeon that harasses new users?

(Checks your comment history)

Ah, so just the same comment over and over again for weeks on end. Fucking spammer...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Hey look, a new very active account, talking shit about... Hmmm....

Nazis, trump, cops, Russians, gays, etc!

Yeah, people like you are why I point it out new accounts.

And from the way you communicate rudely here, to me for saying "Welcome" to new members, illustrates a great point that you don't seem to be someone worth talking to, likely by anyone.

Have a great day, and looking forward to Welcoming your next alt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Also worth pointing out that the best way of reading this thread is looking at all of the removed comments in the modlog. Lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The ones that stand out to me are the ones that take offense at mundane things, because they're looking at it through a skewed mental filter. As far as I can tell, they're genuine. I don't know what to make of it, so I just make liberal use of the block button.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's some fucking ableist bullshit, not everyone is neurotypical you know. Fucking bigot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

forgot the /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I believe THIS is exactly what is being talked about when they say "Russian troll farm"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeap... Lemmy is getting to Reddit form faster than expected

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Is reddit as censored as the fediverse?

Lemmy and mastodon are quite useless.

You can have the same core views as someone on lemmy and mastodon but if you point out a hypocritical post you will get blocked or your post removed. Being a hateful hypocritical person is okay but if you point out someone else doing it its not okay. A loop of hypocrisy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How long til Lemmy hivemind?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly? Probably a couple months or so.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It already exists it just depends on your instance.

Plenty of group think moving through posts and competing with other group think.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Memba reddit comments circa 2016 election? I memba.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No one is paying troll farms to go comment on lemmy though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No one is paying troll farms to go comment on lemmy though

Could you tell that to the c/politics commenters who seem to think russian shills lurk behind every rock?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don’t really think political spending is going towards Lemmy trolls, much less like…national propaganda spending. Shitty advertising bots maybe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There are 2 million monthly active Lemmy users. That's a vast untapped market of grassroots users many who likely aren't on many other platforms, due to the nature of Lemmy.

The first state actor to get in on the ground floor and shape the collective opinion of lemmings as a whole will influence the future outlook of every user of the fediverse. Especially young people. Majority opinion, majority rule.

I believe we can see this taking place on instances like .world and hexbear, but I'm sure it's happening in a semi-automated fashion across most instances.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It’s already getting like that over there. That’s why I’m here now. The last straw was a “Reddit Recommendation” that I join r/InternationalNews. I took a look around, and it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content. There was the video of the university detonation from January 20th, posted that day and pinned to the top. When I commented on the date and provided the source, I was downvoted to oblivion, and eventually banned.

The sub was #7 under recommended news subreddits.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Being anti-Israel is based.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The government, not the citizens, as per usual.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, Israel hate is a relatively common position these days.

Of course there are less than intelligent people that think “anti Israel…okay, so fuck the Jews!” Like, no. Fuck those people. And in a social media environment, nuance isn’t allowed. If it sounds like maybe you might be possibly on “the other side” of a popular issue, fuck you there is no room for understanding. It’s a huge problem. I’ve noticed more conversations on lemmy that don’t fall into that trap as easily. But, that does seem to be changing somewhat.

It’s not entirely social media, that’s just people. But I do firmly believe social media has made this problem exponentially worse.

I mean, it seems like you and I would disagree on the Israel/palestine issue. But we’re here discussing the discussion surrounding it. On Reddit, that literally never happened to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It doesn’t matter if it’s popular. It’s still racist or nationalist. Just like people who say “fuck Palestinians,” you’re labeling an entire nation or group for the actions of their leader(s).

As an American, am I Biden or Trump? No. I’m an American. I should not be held accountable for the actions of the leader of my nation, even more so if I voted against them.

Netanyahu won his last election with 64% of the popular vote, and is currently polling at 15% popularity with the Israelis.

Hamas won the last election with 44.45% of the popular vote (similar to Trump, they won without popular majority).

I’m just saying words matter. “Fuck Israel” means all Israelis. I think you may just mean “fuck Benjamin Netanyahu.” In that, you’d likely have support of most of the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Eh. It’s actually different. The popular position is that Israel the state is committing genocide. That’s not he same thing as saying “fuck Palestinians.” Because people aren’t saying “fuck Israelis.” They’re saying fuck Israel for what they’re doing.

You seem to be implying the nimrods who, as I explained earlier, lack the concept of nuance and take anti-israel positions to the illogical extreme of just becoming antisemitic. It’s the same type of people who were assaulting anyone of Asian descent during Covid. You can’t lump everyone who was being careful not to get sick in with the people who were pushing old Asian women down the subway stairs.

“Fuck Israel” means all Israelis

What. No. It absolutely does not. That’s you being overly sensitive and basically misunderstanding a message. If I say “fuck the US” in the context of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, that doesn’t mean “fuck everyone from the US.” Thats such an illogical conclusion to come to.

Also, I don’t know where you got your numbers, I can only find these figures about Netanyahu’s approval ratings in Israel:

According to a survey of more than 700 people carried out by the Israel Democracy Institute this month, 57 percent of the public rates Netanyahu’s performance as “poor or very poor,” while only 28% believe it is “good or excellent.” 14% assess his performance as “so-so.”

And this:

On both questions, Israelis agree with Netanyahu: A poll last month by the Israel Democracy Institute found that nearly two-thirds of Israelis say Israel should “expand its military operations into Rafah.” A separate February poll by IDI found, by the same token, that 55% of Israelis oppose Palestinian statehood, compared to 37% who support it.

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/53305

This one survey is the source for those numbers, and it doesn’t paint as clear of a picture of not supporting Netanyahu. Now, this doesn’t mean anything about antisemitism. That’s always wrong. But my point is that, first off, you seem to be skewing numbers to make a point, unless you have data I can’t find. Secondly, you also seem to be falling in with that group of people who can’t grasp or don’t operate with any nuance. I can say fuck people who support the genocide, whether they are in Israel or elsewhere in the world. Because…it’s fucking genocide. That doesn’t mean I get to generalize about them and hate hem for unrelated qualities, like their religion or skin color. But I can hate their beliefs about what’s happening. It’s all about nuance. It’s very fucking important.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

anti-Israel and anti-America content is cool actually

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So are you racist or a nationalist? There’s a difference between criticizing Netanyahu and Biden, and entire nations of people.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Use the report button when you see those, it's the quickest way for them to be noticed by mods and admins.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

People don't report shit, then complain stuff goes unmoderated.

Like, you don't have to report every single comment a troll makes, but at least report one so a mod looks at it.

Edit:

Here's a good example. An account I have blocked replied to me. If they go into a sub I moderate and start acting like a jackass, I'll never know because I have them blocked.

The only way I'd see it, is if someone reported it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

People do report stuff, get yelled at by the mods, and then get banned by the admins for abuse of the reporting system, or mod abuse for getting clarification.

So if you do what you are supposed to, you get banned.

Would be better if moderation was actually taken seriously and the admins don’t excuse terrible mod behavior.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People do report stuff, get yelled at by the mods, and then get banned by the admins for abuse of the reporting system, or mod abuse for getting clarification.

What mods/admins are doing this? I would not stick around a community or instance run like this. Luckily with the Fediverse, you can choose what instances or communities you want to go to, you're not stuck in the same way you were on Reddit. Use that power - don't let abusive mods/admins be your host.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Moderating comments, even trolling is suppressing free speech. So it goes against the entire purpose of fediverse, it’s an issue with its own system. So people say to report them, but they won’t act on reports since just having an opinion that goes against the narrative can fall under free speech. And moderation it will create other issues.

Go elsewhere, smaller communities, less content, more moderation so less content, it’s all potential issues all the way down that are created by itself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Those sound like extremely edge cases and are not a good reason to not justify not reporting anything.

Moderators are volunteers and most of them simply want to make their communities better, so they do take these reports seriously. Plus at this stage Lemmy lacks robust tools to help them accomplish this. The very least general users can do is flag problem comments and accounts to help them out.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Assholes are everywhere, but yeah, it's been happening slowly but surely ever since lemmy has gained more users (which makes sense).

I'd really like to know the ratio of assholes to regular people out of every 100 people 😂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

An ever increasing ratio because assholes drive out non assholes.

Dead Sea effect in action.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As soon as anyone starts arguing in bad faith I just block them. I don't really care what they have to say about me for my argument.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish you could set a personal minimum "karma" and age requirement. Like I don't want to hear from anyone with an account made in the last week. And no one with karma below zero.

It's not really a high bar, it mainly blocks people who get banned all the time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How do you even see karma?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I dunno. It was there before. Maybe just total their last 5 comment scores. So it's easy to just not be a dick all the time and get through the filter.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

But how would one acquire karma if no one sees their comments?

Also automatically shadow banning new users will mean cool people that come to the site will get the impression that it sucks and leave and never come back.

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