Which is fine. But you can't deny the entire history of worker's rights is haunted by capitalists trying to prevent or entirely suppress it. Socialism has followed the same path. Any time it is implemented from basic worker rights, which is a left socialist goal, it is intentionally poisoned by those in power.

But the CIA, who has way more funding, didn't constantly overthrow any form of socialism they smelled? Okay.

Do you support unions or workers rights by chance?

and I'm saying you sound so clueless treating this like some weird war between factions. It is an extremely uninformed position and view.

Took a lot of words for you to express you really don't know what you're talking about.

Marxist-Leninist economic theory? Lmfao.

I also find it hilarious you both agree the countries couldn't fight back but also you're saying capitalists never fought them in the first place. They did very aggressively.

If you want to continue being ignorant about the CIA go ahead but you're just wrong bud. Like the Red Scare was real, the Cold War happened. Kissinger was constantly looking for excuses to nuke anyone over socialism.

You are cluelessly outside your mind

this is a real argument lol

Communists tried to make sure capitalism couldn't exist far harder than capitalists did for communism

That's just literally not true. Financially alone communist countries didn't have the money to fight back, that's why they often moved towards socialism. Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela. The countries were poor because heavy capitalist countries owned the main exports of these countries. Like the term Banana Republic is one sided.

The entire goal of socialism is for workers to change the structure of capitalism. "Declaring war" in that way is like the war on drugs, language more than anything. This is not like a Jihad. It is just the philosophical belief that we aren't truly free until we own our venue of money making. As a people that's for the country you live in, as a person or worker it is for the company you operate with.

This war is a declaration of change of the relationship of the rich and poor, the workers and the owners.

But if you really think the KGB has done as much as the CIA I have a bridge to sell you. The KGB wish they were the CIA.

But what does that look like and how do you establish it without accidentally murdering millions.

The wheels of history are lubricant for the wheels of history, evil shit but true. Whenever we want to move history we need to always consider who is being harmed.

Our system sucks but turning it off will inevitably cause a shock of some degree and that harms people.

Literally a kobayashi maru

When will these hate crimes against strawmen end!!

Socialism isn't a single system bud, neither is capitalism. Are you suggesting the current state of any society on this planet is utopian? Probably not.

More capitalist countries and empires have fallen than socialist ones. More death happens because of the structure of capitalism. Capitalism has caused more wars. It has existed longer, there's literally no arguing any of what I just stated.

Are any of these arguments good to stop someone from exploring what capitalism can do or offer? No. So stop being stupid.

Historically also, no. No socialist country was allowed to exist without foreign interference.

Stop boiling everything down to a meme you halfwit. We absolutely need more socialist policymaking and a genuine consideration of what society needs to look like.

Sure.

So anyway Henry Kissinger is a name you should look up. Allen Dulles. George HW Bush. Roy Cohn. Good places to start.

Also the term Whataboutism fits here. I'm saying socialism isn't allowed to exist because of the Western Capitalism supplied Intelligence Agencies. What are you talking about?

You spelled the central intelligence agency and western intelligence apparatus wrong

Literally this.

In any system their will be abuse, from hacking in video games to corruption in politics.

The thing is though I'd rather we be corrupt and feeding/housing those who need it rather than be corrupt and not doing those things

The worst thing for the socialist movement are other socialists