Can we stop posting political memes?... It's getting annoying.
Yeah. Although I like socialism and partially agree with the meme, I'm really tired of constantly seeing political memes, so at this point I just down vote any political meme that I see lol
The worst thing for the socialist movement are other socialists
Tbh I think the worst thing for the socialist movement is the history of what happens when socialism runs into economic and political reality. But a good number two is internal discord between socialists, yeah
You spelled the central intelligence agency and western intelligence apparatus wrong
Yes, yes, everything is the evil CIA's fault. Never mind that the communists had their own intelligence agencies! They didn't have any agency and all their actions were puppeted by the evil capitalists because of how amazingly competent capitalists apparently are. But yeah no let's do communism because even in a brutal dictatorship some liberals can beat the shit out of us in technology, economic prosperity, soft power, hard power, and diplomacy.
Go touch some grass, tankie scum
Sure.
So anyway Henry Kissinger is a name you should look up. Allen Dulles. George HW Bush. Roy Cohn. Good places to start.
Also the term Whataboutism fits here. I'm saying socialism isn't allowed to exist because of the Western Capitalism supplied Intelligence Agencies. What are you talking about?
Gorbachev, Stalin, Brezhnev, Lenin, etc, etc. Communists tried to make sure capitalism couldn't exist far harder than capitalists did for communism. And it was communists who declared that particular war. Lenin, in fact, is the architect of institutions like the comintern which took that as their goal.
Communists tried to make sure capitalism couldn't exist far harder than capitalists did for communism
That's just literally not true. Financially alone communist countries didn't have the money to fight back, that's why they often moved towards socialism. Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela. The countries were poor because heavy capitalist countries owned the main exports of these countries. Like the term Banana Republic is one sided.
The entire goal of socialism is for workers to change the structure of capitalism. "Declaring war" in that way is like the war on drugs, language more than anything. This is not like a Jihad. It is just the philosophical belief that we aren't truly free until we own our venue of money making. As a people that's for the country you live in, as a person or worker it is for the company you operate with.
This war is a declaration of change of the relationship of the rich and poor, the workers and the owners.
But if you really think the KGB has done as much as the CIA I have a bridge to sell you. The KGB wish they were the CIA.
Yes. They didn't have the money to properly fight back. Because communism sucks. With a continent span ing empire and imperial authority over the entire Warsaw Pact and Comintern, the USSR was still a decrepit, corrupt shithole of a nation propped up by the shambling corpse of Marxist-Leninist economic theory. Communism fails, and fails again, and again, and again, not because capitalists have unfairly stopped them, but because it is an economic system as badly suited to the modern world as mercantilism or feudalism.
Took a lot of words for you to express you really don't know what you're talking about.
Marxist-Leninist economic theory? Lmfao.
I also find it hilarious you both agree the countries couldn't fight back but also you're saying capitalists never fought them in the first place. They did very aggressively.
If you want to continue being ignorant about the CIA go ahead but you're just wrong bud. Like the Red Scare was real, the Cold War happened. Kissinger was constantly looking for excuses to nuke anyone over socialism.
You are cluelessly outside your mind
I said the communists couldn't prosecute the war against capitalism that they started because their economic theory is shit and doesn't work well in the real world. Which is true.
and I'm saying you sound so clueless treating this like some weird war between factions. It is an extremely uninformed position and view.
It's.... historical truth, dude. The interim goal of the USSR was to overthrow capitalism in Germany, and then from there, enact world communist revolution under their aegis via COMECON
But the CIA, who has way more funding, didn't constantly overthrow any form of socialism they smelled? Okay.
Do you support unions or workers rights by chance?
Oh, sure, they did.
Do you support unions or workers rights by chance?
Absolutely. Which is one big reason why I oppose communism. One of the first things the bolshevists did when they seized power is took the right to appoint officials to labor unions and worker's Soviets, and turned those representative organizations into agents of the Party rather than representatives of the workers.
Which is fine. But you can't deny the entire history of worker's rights is haunted by capitalists trying to prevent or entirely suppress it. Socialism has followed the same path. Any time it is implemented from basic worker rights, which is a left socialist goal, it is intentionally poisoned by those in power.
Of course it is. That's why the role of governments in a capitalist society includes protecting workers rights, including union rights. That's best done via democratic representation in a liberal democracy. But the presence of workers rights or union rights doesn't end capitalism.
It’s not we, this guy is the only person posting these political memes here. I hate blocking users but posting multiple memes a day trying to push your agenda is pretty annoying.
Ah yes, I just noticed his instance. You're probably correct!, great tip.
I can’t find a single meme that isn’t political. Whether you like it or not there is political messaging in every single piece of media
Well I didn't mean it like that. I obviously meant memes that the sole purpose is to bait the opposing party into raging in the comments.
The occasional meme and critique should be fine though.
I think the only reason some appear less political to you is that you aren’t the oppressed in those memes
Nah. I just don't care. I don't go for memes for the political content.
If I want to discuss politics I'll do it elsewhere.
The very claim that you don’t care only shows that you are privileged and hence can ignore the political aspects
Maybe I didn't get my point across clearly, that's on me. English is not my first language.
What I meant is, I don't care about politics on the MEMES community. It's not against the rules, but my opinion is that politics should stay out of "hehe that's funny" content.
Political content on here only serves to further divide and annoy people. Politics should be discussed just not on here (again, imo)
But memes are political regardless
The problem isn't with capitalism but the people that take advantage of it.
You can take advantage of socialism too.
~~tho i wouldn't mind me some socialism~~
Literally this.
In any system their will be abuse, from hacking in video games to corruption in politics.
The thing is though I'd rather we be corrupt and feeding/housing those who need it rather than be corrupt and not doing those things
So let’s pick a system that doesn’t incentivize corruption. If it’s going to happen, let’s not encourage it.
But what does that look like and how do you establish it without accidentally murdering millions.
The wheels of history are lubricant for the wheels of history, evil shit but true. Whenever we want to move history we need to always consider who is being harmed.
Our system sucks but turning it off will inevitably cause a shock of some degree and that harms people.
Literally a kobayashi maru
What an idiotic argument. So what? Should we stop trying to progress at all as a society because it could hurt people? Removing this exploitive system will help more than it’ll harm. No contest.
this is a real argument lol
Nope. Capitalism inherently exploits the working class. Exploitation is not inherent to socalism. Both system are corruptible, but capitalism starts out that way.
Exploitation is inherent to any system in which there is an established hierarchy, which necessarily includes any and all systems in which there is institutionalized authority, entirely regardless of the economic system in place.
Leaving institutionalized authority in place and merely switching from a capitalist to a socialist system only changes the specific hoops the exploiters have to jump through to gain and maintain privilege - instead of gaining wealth and using it to buy political power, they have to, and do, gain political power and use it to commandeer wealth.
If you want to fight exploitation, you need to go all the way to the real source and fight the institutionalization of authority.
Any time anyone has the power to rule, you axiomatically have a ruling class.
Libertarian socalism. I 100% agree. All unjustifiable hierarchies must go. Including all that are established by violence and coercion.
It'll work this time, guys! Communism won't mean dictatorship, guys! I promise that there won't be economic stagnation this time, guys! Trust me! I know this, because I believe it!
Have we tried maybe...NOT putting anyone in charge of everyone and THEN trying socialism/communism? There are other theories we haven't explored yet...🏴
And we just may be at the point where technology can make this happen.
Just take a look at the self-organizing nature of the open source software industry. No one player has absolute control of anything, yet it thrives.
That's basically the underpants gnomes theory of politics.
Communism but no leadership!
???????
Utopia!!!!!!!! Don't ask me how to get there
As opposed to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that we have now?
Lmao ok tankie
You use the word tankie unironically. Do you think that lends you any credibility as oppose to making you appear silly and unserious?
It's an accurate description of scum sucking authoritarian megafans of history's greatest monsters federated in from Lemmygrad and Hexbear, like you
Oh hahaha, it’s very funny to see that you are fully trying to be unironically in using this term. What’s next? I’m coolio?