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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

To be fair, you didn't really say any of that, just linked to a wiki page about censorship in the USSR

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States

Fun part about whataboutism, you can keep asking "what about _?" over and over and still say nothing

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

From what I read, it seems like they took over a year to investigate the cyber attack before making their conclusions public.

Also I thought the party line was communism, not anti-Americanism.

To be honest, this here doesn't seem that out-of-place in terms of how a sovereign nation would respond to a cyber attack by another sovereign nation.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (6 children)

This is a bizarre reply. What would be the adult response for China after discovering cyber attacks carried out by the US government?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah there are those machines that like instantly cool your soda can or make ice cream instantly supposedly. They just bathe it in ice and salt water for some time basically

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

this is just humans

Are you familiar with the concept of alienation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

No he wasn't asking it seriously obviously

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Fair point but I think then it just expands the consideration from linguistic (which is already more than spoken or written, it also covers signed, whistled, drummed, danced, in one case I heard about -- eye movement) to semiotic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think that is a linguistic question ultimately. You could take potentially utter a new sentence never before uttered even with the top 10 most used words in a language.

That is one of the most significant things about the human being. Actually I am quite surprised when people come with definitions for human nature eg. fundamentally good, fundamentally evil, homo sapiens, homo faber, etc. that the linguistic potential to turn a small set of things into infinity is often ignored. No other animal can think and speak like we do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I guess if getting new data is not allowed, then interpolation or extrapolation would be the next best option. Interpolation would be connecting existing thoughts to form or find new ones in between. Extrapolation would be following a train of thought to its ultimate end. This could be done in either the diffused or focused mental states. I like to draw up diagrams for this so I can see the blank spots to fill or direction things seem to be going.

There is also the semantics of the question. It's actually quite an ancient topic, where our thoughts come from. What does "original" mean? The thought originating in our mind, or from some higher realm? I won't go too deep into this, just bringing it up to think about it. The only thing I wanted to say is that maybe our mind is not entirely free and agentive, but actually there is a "darkness that comes before" to reference The Second Apocalypse which we can't conquer, but are conquered by.

On a lighter note, and from my own experience, it is definitely possible to generate new thoughts outside of that diffuse cloud of repeated thoughts formed on the storehouse of experience accumulated so far in our lives. Following practices of mindfulness, we can learn to recognize the noise of our mind and separate those "thoughts" from what we might call more agentive thoughts that we can control over, wherever they come from. I do meditations in these styles and achieve a mental state beyond the diffuse and focused, kind of inverse to dreaming (cf. turiya for this kind of formulation of a fourth state of mind). In this state, you can come to understand things which you could probably never do in the other mental states. Those thoughts feel "cleaner" as if coming from a true origin rather than bounced around a cloud of repeated thoughts like you mention.

But I feel like maybe these thoughts are not exactly the ones you are looking for. They are removed from our everyday sense of living, and not really invested in disciplines we have come up with socially as humans. It would be like asking if a caveman 500,000 years ago would have come up with the solution to how to fix a bug in the code I just wrote. It would have been an original thought for him sure, but kind of besides the point.

Edit: as an example for the interpolation/extrapolation, consider sentences like "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" or actual usages of this sort of thing in literature:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kir%C4%81t%C4%81rjun%C4%ABya#Linguistic_ingenuity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_Den

The interesting part is that constrained thinking is what produces this

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Think of it dialectically, not in a polar way. So called "good" and "bad" have to come together in one for one to be able to surpass the apparent duality. Any enlightenment, individual or social, should come from the stage after good/bad

This is what the sages will say, on the individual level: it's not so much good vs bad as useful or not useful (to some end). We need to understand and maybe learn to control what this "end" is. Similar thing with socialism: it's not class war for the sake of one class winning, but rather abolishing class as a system altogether

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Wiktionary is good for the dirty details usually. Looks like it's more complicated than it seems: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woman#Usage_notes

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