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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (32 children)

English is easier. So the spelling is irregular, so what. You'll be bad at spelling for a while. It's just not comparable to having to memorize arbitrary gender for every noun in the language, learn complex verb conjugations, polite and impolite forms and make every verb and adjective agree with the nouns in gender and number.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It’s just not comparable to having to memorize arbitrary gender for every noun in the language

Yes, instead of having to memorize one of up to three possible genders for every noun, you only have to memorize an infinity of arbitrary pronunciations for every word.
Much easier.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Those pronunciations are not arbitrary. Consistent spelling was not always important to English writers, so some of that may be arbitrary. The words though have diverse etymologies reflecting multiculturalism born from brutal imperialism spanning centuries. It is often a system of language evolved from violent colonial expansion. Every weird word and spelling that breaks the rule has a story. It may not be a perfectly ordered system because it lives and breathes while some parts grow and others whither and die, but nothing about it arbitrary. Maybe I've been listening to too much of The Allusionist podcast.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but we're not talking about the linguistic history of how words developed.
We're talking about learning a language and the lack of consistent rules can make that quite difficult.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You brought up history, not me, by ignoring it through your claim about arbitrary pronunciations. Such a claim ignores history to make a weak argument for language learning difficulty. Pronunciations are not arbitrary.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying that there are no consistent rules so language learners have to learn each word individually.
If you learn languages by memorizing every singe vowel shift since proto-indo-european then be my guest but for someone who just wants to speak the language and has to learn the difference between plough, through, though etc, it seems pretty damn arbitrary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

You have repeatedly demonstrated that you do not understand the meaning of the word arbitrary.

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