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[–] [email protected] 95 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Japanese: wtf are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

Finnish: No, seriously, what are they talking about?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Chinese too

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I'm still learning but what about wa (わ)? It's used to signify the subject of a sentence I think.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's actually 「は」, and... kind of. It marks the topic, which is sort of the thing the conversation is generally about, which typically is the subject of each sentence, but not necessarily. It's kinda hard to explain it well since it doesn't really map cleanly onto any grammatical feature in english.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Alright, are you calling English sane?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There are parts of English that are simple and there are parts that are complex. Same as any language! The cool thing about linguistics is learning about the neat features of some languages. For example, Chinese doesn't use articles!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Are articels useful at all?

What's the advantage of having a female /male table?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Gendered articles probably not but having "a" vs "the" removes the need for additional cases (eg. I/me/my). Latin and Russian don't have articles but they have more cases which have different suffixes that have to be applied to all nouns. Usually simplifying one part of language makes another part more complex. English has a very simple case structure but the word order is much more strict

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Oh, trust me, we are 😭

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Its the language equivalent to a brick...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

If the teacup fits.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

sure, how complex is: their, there, they’re. sure, they sound the same but there is no reason they’re difficult to use in their intended purpose.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (6 children)

English grammar is alright as far as languages are concerned. There is some bs but nothing exceptional.

Pronounciation in the English language on the other hand is absolute insanity. If there are any rules besides grouped up exceptions then let me know.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

And reusing the same word to mean a plethora of completely unrelated things lol.

EG:

Jam = a fruit preserve, to play music, stopped traffic, a door that's held open, to cram something into something else

Set = a collection of something, to change an option on a device, when something gelatinous becomes more solid, when the sun goes down, a stage or movie background, a list of songs at a concert, to put something down, and about 50 other things

Run = to move quickly, to enter a contest (ie run for President), to have something turned on (is that computer running, running a tap), to be a certain length (this films run time is 90 minutes), to be behind (this bus is running late), to be in charge of something (I'm running this place), a hand in poker, to be liquid (this egg is runny), a tear in a pair of tights

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

German also does this. I think a good 20% of all verbs are just variations of "ziehen" (to pull).

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess you haven't seen polish then.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (5 children)

For anyone who claims "English is easier", I present you The Chaos Poem:

The Chaos
by Gerard Nolst Trenité

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.

Sword and sward, retain and Britain
(Mind the latter how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say-said, pay-paid, laid but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say: gush, bush, steak, streak, break, bleak ,

Previous, precious, fuchsia, via
Recipe, pipe, studding-sail, choir;
Woven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Say, expecting fraud and trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Branch, ranch, measles, topsails, aisles,
Missiles, similes, reviles.

Wholly, holly, signal, signing,
Same, examining, but mining,
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far.

From "desire": desirable-admirable from "admire",
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier,
Topsham, brougham, renown, but known,
Knowledge, done, lone, gone, none, tone,

One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel.
Gertrude, German, wind and wind,
Beau, kind, kindred, queue, mankind,

Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, Reading, heathen, heather.
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.

Have you ever yet endeavoured
To pronounce revered and severed,
Demon, lemon, ghoul, foul, soul,
Peter, petrol and patrol?

Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.

Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which exactly rhymes with khaki.
Discount, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward,

Ricocheted and crocheting, croquet?
Right! Your pronunciation's OK.
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Is your r correct in higher?
Keats asserts it rhymes Thalia.
Hugh, but hug, and hood, but hoot,
Buoyant, minute, but minute.

Say abscission with precision,
Now: position and transition;
Would it tally with my rhyme
If I mentioned paradigm?

Twopence, threepence, tease are easy,
But cease, crease, grease and greasy?
Cornice, nice, valise, revise,
Rabies, but lullabies.

Of such puzzling words as nauseous,
Rhyming well with cautious, tortious,
You'll envelop lists, I hope,
In a linen envelope.

Would you like some more? You'll have it!
Affidavit, David, davit.
To abjure, to perjure. Sheik
Does not sound like Czech but ache.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, loch, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed but vowed.

Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover.
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice,

Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal,

Suit, suite, ruin. Circuit, conduit
Rhyme with "shirk it" and "beyond it",
But it is not hard to tell
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.

Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
Has the a of drachm and hammer.
Pussy, hussy and possess,
Desert, but desert, address.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants
Hoist in lieu of flags left pennants.
Courier, courtier, tomb, bomb, comb,
Cow, but Cowper, some and home.

"Solder, soldier! Blood is thicker",
Quoth he, "than liqueur or liquor",
Making, it is sad but true,
In bravado, much ado.

Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Pilot, pivot, gaunt, but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand and grant.

Arsenic, specific, scenic,
Relic, rhetoric, hygienic.
Gooseberry, goose, and close, but close,
Paradise, rise, rose, and dose.

Say inveigh, neigh, but inveigle,
Make the latter rhyme with eagle.
Mind! Meandering but mean,
Valentine and magazine.

And I bet you, dear, a penny,
You say mani-(fold) like many,
Which is wrong. Say rapier, pier,
Tier (one who ties), but tier.

Arch, archangel; pray, does erring
Rhyme with herring or with stirring?
Prison, bison, treasure trove,
Treason, hover, cover, cove,

Perseverance, severance. Ribald
Rhymes (but piebald doesn't) with nibbled.
Phaeton, paean, gnat, ghat, gnaw,
Lien, psychic, shone, bone, pshaw.

Don't be down, my own, but rough it,
And distinguish buffet, buffet;
Brood, stood, roof, rook, school, wool, boon,
Worcester, Boleyn, to impugn.

Say in sounds correct and sterling
Hearse, hear, hearken, year and yearling.
Evil, devil, mezzotint,
Mind the z! (A gentle hint.)

Now you need not pay attention
To such sounds as I don't mention,
Sounds like pores, pause, pours and paws,
Rhyming with the pronoun yours;

Nor are proper names included,
Though I often heard, as you did,
Funny rhymes to unicorn,
Yes, you know them, Vaughan and Strachan.

No, my maiden, coy and comely,
I don't want to speak of Cholmondeley.
No. Yet Froude compared with proud
Is no better than McLeod.

But mind trivial and vial,
Tripod, menial, denial,
Troll and trolley, realm and ream,
Schedule, mischief, schism, and scheme.

Argil, gill, Argyll, gill. Surely
May be made to rhyme with Raleigh,
But you're not supposed to say
Piquet rhymes with sobriquet.

Had this invalid invalid
Worthless documents? How pallid,
How uncouth he, couchant, looked,
When for Portsmouth I had booked!

Zeus, Thebes, Thales, Aphrodite,
Paramour, enamoured, flighty,
Episodes, antipodes,
Acquiesce, and obsequies.

Please don't monkey with the geyser,
Don't peel 'taters with my razor,
Rather say in accents pure:
Nature, stature and mature.

Pious, impious, limb, climb, glumly,
Worsted, worsted, crumbly, dumbly,
Conquer, conquest, vase, phase, fan,
Wan, sedan and artisan.

The th will surely trouble you
More than r, ch or w.
Say then these phonetic gems:
Thomas, thyme, Theresa, Thames.

Thompson, Chatham, Waltham, Streatham,
There are more but I forget 'em-
Wait! I've got it: Anthony,
Lighten your anxiety.

The archaic word albeit
Does not rhyme with eight-you see it;
With and forthwith, one has voice,
One has not, you make your choice.

Shoes, goes, does *. Now first say: finger;
Then say: singer, ginger, linger.
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age,

Hero, heron, query, very,
Parry, tarry fury, bury,
Dost, lost, post, and doth, cloth, loth,
Job, Job, blossom, bosom, oath.

Faugh, oppugnant, keen oppugners,
Bowing, bowing, banjo-tuners
Holm you know, but noes, canoes,
Puisne, truism, use, to use?

Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual,
Seat, sweat, chaste, caste, Leigh, eight, height,
Put, nut, granite, and unite.

Reefer does not rhyme with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, senate, but sedate.

Gaelic, Arabic, pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific;
Tour, but our, dour, succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

Say manoeuvre, yacht and vomit,
Next omit, which differs from it
Bona fide, alibi
Gyrate, dowry and awry.

Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion,
Rally with ally; yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay!

Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
Never guess-it is not safe,
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralf.

Starry, granary, canary,
Crevice, but device, and eyrie,
Face, but preface, then grimace,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.

Bass, large, target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, oust, joust, and scour, but scourging;
Ear, but earn; and ere and tear
Do not rhyme with here but heir.

Mind the o of off and often
Which may be pronounced as orphan,
With the sound of saw and sauce;
Also soft, lost, cloth and cross.

Pudding, puddle, putting. Putting?
Yes: at golf it rhymes with shutting.
Respite, spite, consent, resent.
Liable, but Parliament.

Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, clerk and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, demesne, cork, work.

A of valour, vapid vapour,
S of news (compare newspaper),
G of gibbet, gibbon, gist,
I of antichrist and grist,

Differ like diverse and divers,
Rivers, strivers, shivers, fivers.
Once, but nonce, toll, doll, but roll,
Polish, Polish, poll and poll.

Pronunciation-think of Psyche!-
Is a paling, stout and spiky.
Won't it make you lose your wits
Writing groats and saying "grits"?

It's a dark abyss or tunnel
Strewn with stones like rowlock, gunwale,
Islington, and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, bough, cough, hough, sough, tough??

Hiccough has the sound of sup...
My advice is: Give It Up!
[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

English is easier. So the spelling is irregular, so what. You'll be bad at spelling for a while. It's just not comparable to having to memorize arbitrary gender for every noun in the language, learn complex verb conjugations, polite and impolite forms and make every verb and adjective agree with the nouns in gender and number.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This is bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about linguistics can tell you that languages aren't objectively easier or more difficult to learn. What makes a language easy is its similarity to a learner's native language, or other languages they've already learned. Furthermore, there's a myth that certain things or ideas can be said or expressed in some languages but not in others, and this too is objectively untrue. All languages do the same thing, they just do it differently. If one language doesn't have a word for something, that doesn't mean it can't express the concept, just that it has to do so through other means, typically in a sentence or phrase.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What makes a language easy is its similarity to a learner’s native language, or other languages they’ve already learned.

Don't believe this at all. English is far more different to Chinese than any to any European language, yet I was able to communicate in Chinese much better after a few weeks of learning than after months or years of French and Spanish, because the grammar is simpler.

Familiarity with cognates, word order and grammar rules can't beat simply never having to use an article, agree gender or conjugate a verb for the subject or tense. Tell me a Chinese verb and I can talk about anybody doing it at any point in time. Tell me a French verb and I'll have to study declension tables all week.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

English verbiage can also a source of frustration for English learners.

For instance, you can chop a tree down. Once you're done, you can chop a tree up.

Imagine the confusion this causes lol.

I do agree though that the general lack of gender for most uses are really useful. It makes learning other languages more difficult though (basically all other languages).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

It's just you.
In Germany we need to think about the position of the peer and if professional or casual.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

For instance, you can chop a tree down. Once you’re done, you can chop a tree up.

Imagine the confusion this causes lol.

This is an absolutely minor thing, and it is also a phenomenon which occurs in basically all other languages.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Where this really sucks is in programming when you write things like “The {{objectType}}” in your translations file.

Your program will replace objectType with the actual thing, so “The Ball”. All good, right? But then every other language has the weird conjugation, so “El Bola” doesn’t make sense anymore…

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh god, I've never thought about that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Some languages also consider different numbers in different way. I have one ball, two balls, and zero balls. Zero might not be plural like in English. Also, some language have a dual distinction that changes thing when there are two of something (not just singular and plural, but singular, dual, and plural).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In Russian, numbers ending in one are singular, except for eleven which is plural.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

El Bola sounds like a very racist super villain too! Probably not what most customers are looking for in a translation...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

although a bit clunky, writing "the {{objectType}} object" would get around this particular issue.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i mean technically we have the and thə

[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Excuse me friend, but one of your e's appears to be drunk.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

ə: I'm not as think as you drunk I am, ossifer!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i'm pretty sure about 12-15% of the English language is.. smashed to the tits..

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Russian doesn't have articles at all, but it sure isn't simple.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

"The" but sometimes it's pronounced "thee" just for fun ir vowels or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The ol mnemonic my German professor taught me about remembering the German articles:
Rese
Nese
Merman
Sister Sister

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I took several years of German in highschool and in college and this doesn't make any sense to me. Explain please?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (5 children)

French had a golden oportunity for changing this during french revolution. A unecessary complex language is not reasonable

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

god I hate german grammar so much

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Portuguese: append "s". O, os; a, as;

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Latin: Quæ?

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