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I've just found this article about Futurama on The Independent, a UK newspaper. It comments on the changes in Futurama reflecting the changes in society in general.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So I understand what you are saying, but as somebody who has watched way too much Futurama then he would ever care to admit, I feel the need to make an important distinction about it that I think might help frame the objective of the article better.

Futurama is generally not a pop-culture/current events show. Any references they make to pop-culture are generally dated (intentionally)/or semi-timeless. Some episodes are the exception, like Proposition Infinity and Eye-Phone (whatever the ep is called), but these are not the norm and definitely don’t happen with as much frequency as you’d see in shows like The Simpsons or South Park. It’s part of what makes Futurama so damn good. What I find the show reflects over time is values changing. The way they stop making being gay a joke over time. The way they stop using masculinity as a joke (unless there’s a particular intent with it/commentary), things like that. The relationships between characters evolve and morph and show how society has changed. The things that bother them, even.

I’m on a plane about to take off so I need to stop there. But I think if you decouple the idea that Futurama is a current events/current pop culture show, which if you look at all of the episodes you will see is rarely the case, I think it will make the article seem less lazy and more thoughtful than it originally seemed. That being said I admit it emphasizes the current events episodes too much. But their observation about “The Gender Bender” for instance is more in line with what I’m saying.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Pretty much the only animated show that does real time commentary is south park and that is because their art style is "intentionally shitty" to allow for rapid turnaround... and even they have mostly shifted to trying to have a lot of episodes in the can. The rest tend to operate on often times an almost one year delay. And it is the same reason video games usually reference memes from three or four years before release.

Which, again, was the same with theatre. Sure there were playwrights who would make edits to scripts the morning of to reflect what the royal nonce was doing. Same as there are today. But it was always minor tweaks because you need to make sure your actors can learn their lines. The vast majority was written weeks, if not months, prior.

As for changing social values: Again, that is any media you look at. I recently rewatched The Venture Bros in preparation for the finale and was amused at how ridiculously racist, ableist, and homophobic the first season was... and that they were still using ableist slurs as of the last one (which, to be fair, was like 4 years ago). But, at the same time, being gay stopped being a joke and more just became a thing (except Shore Leave who is a treasure and more a joke about camp gay than just being gay... and is a straight up badass). And while 2/3 (probably 3/3 but she never has enough screen time) of them are complete monsters, it is kind of sweet that Action Man, Sean Connery, and Billy's Mom are heavily implied to have become a throuple with no jokes made about it at all.

You can see the same with The Simpsons in terms of what gags they think are safe or not. And even Family Guy and South Park in terms of what gags they think are "edgy" and not.


As an aside. The fantasy trope of "we need to put on a play to start a war or find our friend" maps much more to modern improv or even stand up comedy than theatre. The cliche talking puppets is basically The Daily Show or even Last Week Tonight. But having Dandelion get on stage and say "So what's the deal with airline food?"... would actually have been amazing. What was my point again?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

South Park was not created to be "intentionally shitty" so that it can have "rapid turnaround". That's just patently false. It was like that because it was created by hand by Matt and Trey. And the aesthetic stuck. The fast turnaround was a result of the easy-to-make animation style.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good comment. How was the flight?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ha thanks! More time at the airport than on the plane but nothing to complain about. As good as you can hope for flying in the US lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nice!

I’m sitting in an airport myself right now ;-)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Safe travels/hope it was a good flight!