I need 4 years of education and 5+ years of experience to work as an engineer to give people something to look at on their phones.
Police need 6 months of training to make life and death decisions and they get a pension and permanent immunity when they fuck up
Lol 6 months? Where at? Most places I know of it's 6 weeks.
Here (.nl) it’s a minimum of 3 years for the lowest ranking cops (vocational degree), depending on rank/function there is also a 4 year bachelors degree and a 5 year masters.
Plenty of counties in the US will elect you to Sherriff without any experience at all. Just say the right Tough On Crime rhetoric and you're good to go.
POTUS
Elected positions always have that risk, but normally there is some kind of expectation of relevant experience by voters.
some kind of expectation of relevant experience
heh
Cops
In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.
Making more people, the most complex thing that can be built with unskilled labor.
I've always thought it seemed like a design flaw that whole people can be created accidentally.
Judges... The fact they aren't required to have gone through law school is horrifying.
This is somewhat location specific, each American state has their own rules for the judges, and some require law school and legal experience.
In what country are they not required to have gone through law school?
Magistrate Judges can be literally anyone in the US
I'm guessing 'Murica
In France we you appeal you get judged by other citizens drawn at random. One of the best systems we have
Sheriff is an elected position in the US no experience required.
Bonus answer, president of the United States, we've elected two mentally deficient celebrities so far...
There's stories of small towns hiring sheriff's which were related to the mayor.
And John Oliver's dive into Sheriff's in this Guardian Article: Tremendous amount of authority with low accountability'
Police reform is a uphill battle.
The minutes of training I got before I got my forklift licence is uhhh... Yeah
One of the really notable things about war is that it’s so rare (if you aren’t the US military or else actively engaged in some ongoing conflict), and the rate of people dying and having to be replaced with brand new people is so high, that almost all the time it’s being done for real life-or-death stakes by people who are learning on the job as they go and have no real experience in what they are doing.
A lot of things about military decisions and events don’t completely make sense why they happened the way they do, until you imagine a whole airline being run by people most of whom it’s their first week on the job, and then you say oh okay I get it now; that’s why that happened that way.
We don't have time to train people to make good decisions. Let's just train them to say, "Yessir!"
The county coroner is an ELECTED position.
I'm a mortician who's worked substantially with autopsies. To be the county coroner, you do not need a degree, you do not need experience in mortuary science, postmortem science, forensics, pathology, NOTHING. All you need to be the county coroner, is to be popular.
Meanwhile, funeral directors in the USA need to go through years of college and continuing education, because we're literally the last line of defense when coroners/doctors screw up. I've caught dozens of mistakes the coroner has made and I'm sick of it. The most recently was a shaken and bruised baby having cause of death listed as SIDS.
I no longer blindly trust autopsies for accurate cause of death. If the mortician needs 4 years of medical school, the freaking county coroner would should be required for at LEAST that to be elected.
Being a coroner in some places. Medical examiners are professionals with a degree (and coroner's usually are too), but the coroner is often an elected position, and elected positions usually only have residency and age requirements. Coroners have a huge level of power because they get to decide what is and what is not murder. Someone dies in police custody? They can call it natural causes, and it never goes to the court system. A political opponent dies by two gunshots? That can be called a suicide.
My grandmother was the county coroner for a while. She was a pharmacist professionally. In those places, it's more "give it a quick kick and say they're dead" (she never did that) more than anything else. She only declared death, not attribute cause to my knowledge.
The other part of it is that, for whatever reason, in my county the only higher arresting authority than the sheriff was the coroner. It was her job to serve him with papers when he was being sued and, not that it ever came up, arrest him when it needed done.
Weird system.
For me it is people making food, supplements, and drugs. From their production to their quality department. Just full of people that have no idea what they are doing and making poor decisions. That's not even to mention the management and owners.
Bonus: Home inspectors / mold remediation "professionals". Absolutely clueless.
My partner works in food service and always comments that despite what conservative Kens and Karens think, you really don't want adolescents to be the primary handlers of things you put inside your body, especially not that last little bit where they're supposed to cook off all the bacteria and viruses.
I worked at an airport as a ramp agent and it was a minimum wage no experience job where if things fail on an 8/10 level you could cause a plane crash either by terrible luggage distribution or in effective deicing of the planes wings as an aside air canada has lower standard for deice training than most
Excellent example of a "small" job people don't realize could accidentally kill someone!
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they're going to get back usually is.
Shoutout to Raj the QA lead I worked with in India though. That dude's team was thorough.
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.
Ah, but some of them DO know what they are doing! In the IT world, I have seen where people say a job is about 2-3 years, show no loyalty to the company, and so on. But they don't understand managers are doing this, too. Many KNOW these outsourcers are shitty (or don't care because that's not a metric they care about beyond selling points), but in a 2-3 year turnaround time, by the time it's apparent they don't work, the people who made those decisions are already gone. They ALSO thought ahead to the 2-3 year plan. Here's how that goes:
Year 1: Make proposal based on costs. Find someone in Puna who will sell you some package with some bright, smiling, educated people who speak whatever language and accent that makes your pitch. Proposals are made, and attached to next year's budget.
Year 2: Start the crossover. Puna Corp has swapped out the "demo people" for their core chum bucket. Sometimes, they don't even change the names. How is an American gonna know that the Vivek Patel they saw in the demo is not the same guy named Vivek Patel who is working with your bitter employees who see the writing on the wall? Sadly to many who don't care, "they all look/sound alike." Puna is a product, their employees are a static pattern of commodity. Your people say they are shit, but, "oh, those grumbling employees. Your job is safe! We can't fire you, you are too valuable!"
Year 3: The crossover has gone badly, but you are already looking for the next company to work for. The layoffs happen, and all the good folks are gone, and replaced by the Puna Corp folks. Things start to go badly, but you already got one foot out the door, charming your way into another company.
Year 4: You're gone. Your legacy is that you saved a butt-ton of money. You are a success! The product is shit, but that's not your problem. By the time the company realizes the tragedy, it's middle manager versus middle manager, all backstabbing and jumping ship. Customers don't matter, marketing covers up the satisfaction. "Wow," you say. "Things sure when to shit THE MOMENT I LEFT." You look fantastic! When you were there, you saved money! When you left, it all went downhill! You are a goddamn rockstar. Then repeat.
I have seen this happen since the 90s with a lot of tech folks. Everyone thinking short term for themselves. Only the customers get screwed via enshittification.
Now I feel stupid that I always assumed they just don't know better, but this makes a ton of sense - and they can even expect a raise each time they change jobs. So their whole career is based on bullshitting and they for sure make more money than me... I don't like this thought process
There is no requirement that I am aware of for college professors to have any training in the fundamentals of instruction, and it SHOWS.
That's because professors are still intended to be researchers first, which makes sense for the cutting edge topics, but there's a ton of college level fundamentals you need to understand first.
It was a revelation at some point in my young life when I realized that CEOs (and any other executive position) are not the highly trained and capable leaders with grand business acumen that I was led to believe they are. Literally anyone can be a CEO for a few dollars and their name on a business registration with the local government, no training or capability is required.
Horrifying in retrospect to realize how many people lionize executives simply for adopting a title.
Every CEO I've worked for, I could do the technical part of their job. I couldn't do the political part because I'm results and data driven. Their prideful fuckers who yell louder and demand satisfaction and wield their ability to fire you. Fuck CEO 's.
I worked in a bunch of tech.
Startup CEOs are often folks who rolled really high on Charisma and convinced a lot of people to give them money. Often they have a spark of genius, but if they were really smart, they'd hand over power to people smarter than them. That's how major companies are founded. Then they settle back down.
The dumb ones are egotistical and many end up failing upwards, as they continue being propped up by other until money disappears and they break enough friendships that they end up in jail.
Apparently management positions. The amount of people in such positions that are full of themselves and are hitting terribad descicions at the same time, all the time, never to improve on that. Is terribly high.
Yeah sure, let's not involve the construction department of the company with that big move you are "planning" for half a year now. Also only realize you need tons of work done before you can even start that move a month ahead of the due date. Then do a terrible job of getting that sorted. And only have the most basic of time plans for the actual move ready a couple days before they are supposed to happen. Make that time window awfully short because you also need those machines to produce again because you failed to plan extra production to create a buffer for intermediate products. Then go ahead and slash that awfully short time plan on the first day because surprise, surprise... You don't have a buffer of intermediate products and you really need those machines up and running again so that you can push actual finished products out the door. Also hope for the best which is that the machines just start up and run again... Yes as if that ever worked with complicated machines that are also old now and could just fail completely just from getting moved.
Grade A plan...
A lot of management are coming out of "business schools" that are little more than indoctrination. These people don't know the difference between a leader and a manager and qualify as neither.
Police, Judges, Presidents, Therapists, Executives, the whole US scammer industry of Noctors ("Functional" Neurologists and other chiropractors)
Therapists? Where can one become one without a masters? Or it like a pseudo therapist... homeopathy esque?
Phlebotomists in some states don't need any training. None. If you've ever given blood in one of those states this is probably not surprising to you.
don't know about horrified but residential superintendents. Ok with being on call 24/7? cool here's a free place to live you're hired. Many just do it for the free rent but from my experience previously working in the residential maintenance industry very few actually know how to even unclog a toilet or shut off a water line in a building. Most were alcoholics believe it or not.
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