The Democratic National Committee showing its true face : memes

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (15 children)

ITT tankies pretend they don't know that legal arguments are meant for court and are made to argue from every angle.

No, this isn't an admission that the primaries were rigged. They weren't. It's a hypothetical argument meant to progress a legal case to summary judgment, where the lawyer argued that even if everything the plaintiff said was correct, the DNC would still win the case.

Essentially, what the lawyers for the Democrats were doing was "if I grant everything you claim for the sake of argument, you would still lose, and here's why." That doesn't admit anything. OP knows it, but since he's a literal Stalin-humping fascist who just wants to see anyone who wishes for a better world fail, he doesn't care.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Sing it with me now, folks: 🎶... o'er the laaaaaaand of the freeeee🎶

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

football-lucy Harm reduction, bro. This time it will be different, bro. football-charlie-brown

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is why I'm a leftist not a lib. I vote Democrat bc no choice but I want more progressives in office....

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

but I want more progressives in office

You're not getting them because that's not what the ruling class wants from the DNC.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then stop voting for libs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Better than voting for gqp. I vote progressive in primaries and forced into the other bc no one has the spines to fix the system to ranked elimination voting. I'm leftist bc at least they're not actively trying to unalive me like the right

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (10 children)

I'm leftist bc at least they're not actively trying to unalive me like the right

They'll just kneel in Solidarity with you as the right tries to unalienable you.

Progress.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No you don't understand, their alternative is not to vote red, the alternative is not to vote and then complain that the results are fucked because no metter what they voted it would be fucked so they need a revolution, blood will flow, yada yada.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As someone else posted on this site

"there are two types of democratic voters, centrist conservatives and hostages"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I mean yea sounds about right. The moderates are wolves in sheep's clothing. Esp when they randomly flip parties and screw us over on rights and encourage the gerrymandering to get worse 🙃

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

There's progressives, as well as a good breakdown of demsocs. You can be pleasantly surprised about some parts of Biden's presidency without being a centrist conservative who would have had him near the top of your list

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Ok Hillary sit the fuck down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh shit guess I'll just vote third party, then.

lol no

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Our First Past the Post Winner Take All voting system is demonstrably the worst voting system. Any form of preference polling like Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) is significantly better. No voting system is perfect, but the current one used in most of the US is the shittiest one on the market today.

Any system like RCV opens the door to more parties and candidates who don't 100% toe a party line. It also filters extreme position candidates out of primaries.

We can do better.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately in the two party duopoly, they're the best we've got.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

football-lucy Harm reduction, bro. This time it will be different, bro. football-charlie-brown

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fully aware, but it's either that or allow the other party, which has become increasingly more fascist, back into power.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The differences between them are getting less and less apparent over time.

Biden rolled back next to nothing of his predecessor's policies and executive orders. The border concentration camps are still open for business. brump

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Bruh Republicans are open about backing trump even if he goes to jail. Trump has openly talked about how he wants to get rid of the constitution. They could have prevented him from running again after his failed coup attempt and they let him off the hook.

At least some good has come from the Biden presidency, which tbh I didn't expect at all. Some progress is better than no progress. 15 min wage for federal contract workers, an NLRB that is more pro-union than ever in my lifetime, an actual attempt at student loan debt reduction (which he should just nix via executive order but I digress), a 15% minimum corporate tax rate, bring back microchip manufacturing, and there's more that I can't list off the top of my head.

Babysteps sure, but it's better than nothing and way better than the backwards trajectory we got during the trump presidency and beyond the trump presidency due to his SC appointments.

Perfect? Hell no. But something. We need to take the wins we can get while still hammering him from the left to do more.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Bruh

bruh yourself.

But something.

Your "harm reduction" president has not reduced much harm at all, no matter how you scramble in the dirt to try to hold up shiny things to wave at me.

It's just cope

We need to take the wins we can get

The last three years, especially with covid and climate change, were not wins. Even the pretense of slowing the damage down is weak to false now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Jesus Christ might as well just give up on everything with your attitude lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We came to the conclusions because we want to avoid giving up. Once you realize that settling for "harm reduction" is also a form of giving up, you learn to think strategically and read people who think strategically about these things for real improvement. Like Lenin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Unfortunately harm reduction is all we can do rn, unless you are ready to start a working class revolution, which would require the majority of the working class to be on board with us. And idk about you, but I don't think the American working class is there just yet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It ain't there because people like you put more energy into performing in electoral theatrics for the enemies of the working class rather than investing that energy in organizing, educating, and agitating your fellow worker.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Or maybe I'm actually trying to help the working class by taking any win we can get whereas you'd rather watch the world burn than see the working class get any kind of win because it's not big enough for you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I am begging you to take the energy you're putting into convincing others to vote and redirect it toward learning to handle a rifle.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lmao tell that to the Russians and Ukrainian workers who are dying by the thousands because of your utopianist belief in "taking any win".

Absolute scum. There is zero difference material difference between you and the Democrats under biden. You can keep saying you're a leftist or that you work in the interests of the working class, but you actions - or lack thereof - speaks louder than any phrasemongering you do.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

So some rail unions would like to talk to you about 'taking any win we can get' I'd imagine.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

marx-guns-blazing

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

How are you doing that except for voting for Biden? The class conscious workers who aren't succeeding in spreading that are the ones at fault, like me (and you, though I'm not convinced of you being class conscious). I'm trying my best though, in many organizations around many topics, to push my analysis further and improve it and the organizations to reach the goals of socialism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Being a leftist is coming to grips with how bad the situation is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dude ik shit is bad. I would have much preferred someone else be president rn, but we are stuck with Biden so we have to make due.

And 2024 is going to be Biden v trump again. A shitty matchup, ik, but again we have to make due.

Bring a leftist also means trying to make the most of a bad situation. This isn't about what you or I want, it's about what's right for the working class given our current situation. And between Biden and trump, Biden is far better for the working class than trump could ever be.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why are you even talking about the presidency at this point? It's not real. You just saw 'the good' party openly admit that it's not democratic and it's against you. You know the same donors run both parties. Why are you still in this framing?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Because 1 party does everything their donors say, the other does most of the stuff their donors say but still shows it's able to be pushed by their voters to do good.

Do you really think that the donor class wanted the recent NLRB rule change that helps unions against union busting? No, but it happened because unlike the Republican party, the Democratic party can be swayed to fight for the working class. Is it perfect? No, but it's something.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

But they aren't really swayed, they are playing the good guys to prevent riots. The role they fill, regardless of how any democrat personally feels, is the role of the small concession to prevent riot. It's super helpful to capitalism to have a tiny outlet so that the major exploitation is ignored. It's only "better" when you obsess with the short term goals and can't see the projects over decades and across borders. Sometimes I get it, honestly, like I am never mad at comrades voting for the hope that trans and indigenous comrades aren't genocided. But it's just not good strategy to think about that decision for more than like 4 minutes a year because of the above stated functional argument.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

With one hand they give you a ruling that says that if an employer breaks labor law (and the DoL agrees to enforce it), card check gets a union instead of a union vote.

With the other they take away three years of work labor organizing through impossible hoops by breaking the strike of the railworkers, who got nothing to show for it.

What's the point of a union if you can't strike?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

We don't 'got' them. They're the enemy. This is a post about them showing you that they're explicitly hostile to you, your politics, and the concept of democracy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I've been trying to come up with a term to describe this phenomenon for a while now. Privatewashing, maybe?

Westerners are programmed to not accept certain things if done by the government directly. Publishing propaganda? Bad. Laundering government propaganda through private media outlets? Not a problem. Interfering with a foreign election? Bad. Sponsoring a "Private NGO" to do it? Totally fine. Foreign government influencing domestic policy? Bad. Multinational companies paying lobby groups to do the same? Democracy.

In this case, the government telling people that their votes don't count and that rules don't have to be followed would be flagrantly undemocratic. A private organization doing that though? Well we can't do anything about it even if it's directly relevant to the outcome of elections and national policy.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Truly AMERICA is the freest state on earth cuss you can vooooooooooote right? ...Right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Bernie is an independent, though he has been invited to join the Democratic Party. He has refused. Why would the DNC spend its resources on Bernie when people spend considerable time, effort and money that are actually party members? By rule, an independent cannot run for nomination for the Republican party.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is the real reason. Bernie refused to meaningfully cooperative with the party who basically have a policy of allowing members across the widest political spectrum of any party, and then was shocked that they did completely legal and defensible things that might have affected his odds of winning the Primary, a Primary that was still ultimately decided by vote counts that he lost by a landslide. Nobody alienated Bernie (just look at Warren who writes half the bills he supports), he alienated himself.

Do people know why Bernie caucused with the Democrats? Because only about 9% of Americans identify as far left as progressive, and we only win something if we can compromise it with the only political party that works in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This is why. The DNC is trash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Sure. You've got to agree with a person with such great logic.

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