ProcurementCat

I wrote an actual rebuttal to everything you wrote. But I realize that all of this is meaningless because you are one of the people who just love to lie to protect imperial japan. I only need to focus on this one thing:

Tbf, they were ready to surrender after the first bomb but it wasn’t unconditional. They wanted protection for their emperor.

And here we see the lengths you go to defend the japanese monstrosities. The Potsdam declaration didn't mention the emperor at all. But you know what the japanese mentioned? That they would fight to the bitter end:

I consider the Joint Proclamation a rehash of the Declaration at the Cairo Conference. As for the Government, it does not attach any important value to it at all. The only thing to do is just kill it with silence (mokusatsu). We will do nothing but press on to the bitter end to bring about a successful completion of the war.

And this was their stance even after the first bomb, when they still demanded their four conditions

• that the emperor's rule would be left untouched
• that Japan handle their own disarmament
• that Japan deal with any Japanese war criminals
• that there be no occupation of Japan

Those were their demands. This is what they wanted. That is why a second bomb was necessary. Not because of "the emperor". Because they wanted to keep running their country and never face consequences for their actions.

This is how dishonest people like you brush away all the shit Japan has done, turn everything upside down and turn victim into aggressor and aggressor into victim. You need to make things up to justify the fucked up decisions of imperial japan because you can not allow the idea that japan was at fault.

civilians uninvolved in the war

The entire concept of "total war" is that civilians are involved. And you know, it was the japanese and germans who wanted to wage war that way.

in a couple of seconds?

Man you are right. Dying so quickly was way too humane, the americans were really too ethical. And the bomb survivors even got medical treatment! The Americans should have slowly, over years, killed and maimed and raped their way through Japan, like the japanese did in their occupied territories. And watch as all those civillians in the japanese occupied territories are treated the exact same way. You are absolutely right man. That would've been the right thing.

Go tell the family of those who died that their brother/sister/parent had to die to save people in another country.

I'm german and an anti fascist. The fuck do you think I'd do?

Japan (especially at the time) is also culturally very different from Western countries.

Yeah that excuses the 25 Million dead people and damn the US for stopping them. They just wanted to murder in peace!

But hey, thanks for confirming that only the nuclear bombs could have pushed them into surrendering. After all, anything else was culturally too different for them.

Yes, they actually were. By not doing any of the things I wrote.

Oh right, they were ready to surrender. You know what would've been nice? Fucking surrendering.

You know what would've been nice after the first nuclear bomb? Fucking surrendering.

You know what would've been nice after the second nuclear bomb? Fucking surrendering.

Instead, they tried a coup until the emperor finally grew some tiny balls.

Man people like you should have lived in the japanese occupied territories.

Oh and you know what Japan could have done to prvent the bombs? Fucking surrender.

that didn't have any power over what their country was doing and didn't participate in it

It's funny how the people in the war fighting countries don't have "any power" over what their country is doing. Nope. None at all. Nope. Can't oppose your government, can't fight your government, can't oppose the war, can't strike, can't sabotage, can't leave. Nope, nothing they can do. Poor, poor victims of war.

And that the people who actually lived innocently have to die in 10-fold numbers because those poor Japanese can't be held accountable.

Like, there are still people alive today who wouldn't have been without the atomic bombs. And I'm not even talking about american soldiers here, I'm talking about civilians. Not dropping those bombs would have meant their death. Go on, tell them they should've died because the japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were innocently living their life and it totally wasn't their government, their labor and their devotion to the emperor that kept the war going.

After all, the real victims of the japanese imperial war were the japanese. Totally! You know, those who until today have not accepted their crimes and instead openly deny it.

"WhY DoEs nObOdY EvEr tHiNk oF ThE FaScIsTs???"

Now imagine how the japanese are seen by the people of China, Korea, Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Sumatra, Singapore, Indonesia and Papua who were still living under japanese occupation and terror in August 1945. Who died in droves far greater than the Hiroshima or Nagasaki victims, with up to 25 million casualities. Whose death rates increased towards the end of the war, and for whom a delay of the capitulation of the japanese by a few weeks or, god forbid, months would have meant millions of deaths.

Who, mind you, did not support the japanese government, did not support the japanese war, had no way of stopping it except for fighting for their lives, yet still had to suffer from it. Unlike the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who could have prevented the japanese government from taking power, who could have striked and fought against their militaristic government, who could have sabotaged the war efforts of their government in a war that was lost anyways - yet they never did.

Wtf for some reason, my comment does not appear as it supposed to and my edits do not seem to work properly. I'm referencing two tweets: https://twitter.com/condensed_the/status/1686901855358427136 and https://twitter.com/condensed_the/status/1686895266329174016

Edit: For some reason, the "<" character kills the comment