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[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (71 children)

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

There's no practical difference, just window dressing. They both cheer on oppression and pain for those suffering under Republicans.

And don't even get me started on communists. Left and right authoritarians, I've gotten death threats from both of them. Whether it's some leftist telling me I would "get the wall" when the Revolution comes or some fucking Republican telling me that the US was only for Christians and that they'll go after "traitors" soon, you get to the same fucking place at the end of the day. The only real difference is that there's far more Republicans, and they're far more organized than left authoritarians.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 10 months ago (50 children)

bOtH sIdEs

This is why libs get clowned on so hard. You claim to support "the only viable left leaning political party", and yet you're kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values. Remember, segregation wasn't ended because black people voted, blood was spilt in the streets. Same with the LGBT community, see the stonewall uprising, aka, the first pride parade.

I don't care how you vote, but if you can't see the difference between an anarchist engaging in direct action against an oppressive state and fascists doing hate crimes; well, I'd say it's time to get off your high horse and do a little introspection.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago

the only viable left leaning political party in the US

I vote for Democrats because shit, why not? But what is the worth of a party that:

  • Does not function as a party (single defectors routinely kill major legislation without consequence)
  • Is incapable of countering the rising tide of fascism, or unwilling to do so
  • Has no plan to address the Supreme Court, which will continue to kill anything legitimately good if left unchecked
  • Is too beholden to capital to push even the most tepid climate change legislation (the Green New Deal)
  • Constantly attacks its left flank, preferring to chase the votes of suburban reactionaries
  • Isn't even reliably pro-labor
  • Tailed popular movements on all sorts of civil rights issues
  • Still can't be bothered to even de-schedule marijuana, the most slam-dunk popular policy one could imagine + a huge driver of mass incarceration
  • Is on basically the same page as Republicans with respect to foreign policy
  • Generally offers nothing besides "at least we're not as bad as Republicans, most of the time"

Where is that party going? It's never going to meaningfully address climate change, it offers only crumbs to the working class, and any social change has to be led from the outside.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Left unity is everyone dunking on this trash take.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

There is no "viable left leaning political party in the US" lmao. You are a far right country. Both parties are far right. If you were over here in the UK you would all be tories and even then I'm not sure if that's far enough right for the average democrat.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah a lot of dems are far right enough they'd probably be labour

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

Commies and fascists are the same thing because they do the violence. The reasons they do the violence is not relevant.

I, a good democrat, don't do the violence. Those bodies that keep piling up in other (dirty, evil) countries during Democrat run governments are coincidental. All the funding I give to police departments totally aren't related to the police blasting people in the streets daily. I know this because my ideology is totally not conservative.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (4 children)

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

I might be misunderstanding you, so I apologize if that is the case, but if you are referring to the Democrats they are far from left leaning. They aren't even center leaning.

You can't even say they have a better track record than the Republicans. They bomb countries as much (or in recent years even more) than the Republicans. They advocate for wars. They fund ICE even more than the Republicans. They stand up just as much for reproductive rights (read: not at all). They just do all of it while waving a rainbow flag.

I really hope you meant the Greens or the CPUSA; which have their own issues but are certainly more left than either the Democrats or Republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I really want to know what you said before the communist told you that you deserved the wall

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

If you mean the Democrats (which you must to say ""viable"") you are too lost in the sauce.

"Come on guys, we should back the Strassers. They aren't perfect but come on!"

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This comment is giving me so much whiplash.

I was sure it was gonna be ironic when they started comparing anarchists to fascists, but fun fact: no, they actually mean it. Anarchists are fascists, everyone. You've heard it here first!

I swear, if there's something liberals hate more than what's on their right, it's what's on their left.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Absolute potato brained worldview

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US has two right wing parties. Never mind nationally, I've had Democrat electeds oversee cops "sweeping" encampments just as brutally as any Republican would, what exactly is supposed to be the harm getting reduced here?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

What’s the difference between a fascist and an “anarchist” who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

Sorry which party is this? Dems are not even a remotely left-leaning party. Joe Biden literally criminalized the rail workers using their legal right to strike.

This is also like a children's picture book-level of understanding of fascism. As if the Dems' policy of 4 more years of the status quo could prevent fascism at all. That has literally never worked as a way to combat fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

There's a viable left leaning political party in the US? What is it?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

Left leaning? According to who or what? If you said socially progressive there might be a point here, but the democratic party is no where near left wing. And the social progressiveness only serves to take advantage of those being oppressed in order to win votes. It's hollow, and when people start losing rights (like women and abortion) the Democrats will make 500 excuses about why they can't do anything, instead of actually doing something. The democratic party serves as a ratchet to kill and absorb left wing movements and keep the acceptable discourse within the sphere of economic liberalism.

I'm begging Americans to read literally anything about their political system from a non American, non Eurocentrist perspective. Begging. I'll start by linking some here.

The specific combination of factors in the historical formation of U.S. society—dominant “biblical” religious ideology and absence of a workers’ party—has resulted in government by a de facto single party, the party of capital. The two segments that make up this single party share the same fundamental liberalism. Both focus their attention solely on the minority who “participate” in the truncated and powerless democratic life on offer. Each has its supporters in the middle classes, since the working classes seldom vote, and has adapted its language to them. Each encapsulates a conglomerate of segmentary capitalist interests (the “lobbies”) and supporters from various “communities.”

American democracy is today the advanced model of what I call “low-intensity democracy.” It operates on the basis of a complete separation between the management of political life, grounded on the practice of electoral democracy, and the management of economic life, governed by the laws of capital accumulation. Moreover, this separation is not questioned in any substantial way, but is, rather, part of what is called the general consensus. Yet that separation eliminates all the creative potential found in political democracy. It emasculates the representative institutions (parliaments and others), which are made powerless in the face of the “market” whose dictates must be accepted. Marx thought that the construction of a “pure” capitalism in the United States, without any pre-capitalist antecedent, was an advantage for the socialist struggle. I think, on the contrary, that the devastating effects of this “pure” capitalism are the most serious obstacles imaginable.

Samir Amin, Revolution From North To South

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

You should look up who created lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

we have one of those? what's the name of the party?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (16 children)

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

What party in the US is even left-adjacent? The dems still firmly support the police, Israel, massive corporations, prolonging the war in Ukraine. Their actions in Iraq alone should prevent them from ever being considered a party that serves the working class.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If the democrats truly are the only viable "left" option then the only reasonable course of action would be to burn the whole state apparatus down and start anew.

You won't advocate for that of course because the fact is you don't really care about things being better, you care about pretending to be on the moral high-ground, so vague platitudes about things getting better in the abstract you get from democrats is just enough for you, because you probably endure no economic hardship and politics is just an extension of sports to you.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist"

This is

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Is your issue with anarchists or authoritarians? I somehow doubt that anarchists are sending you death threats. Nor do I see anarchists kneecapping the Democrats. Anarchists don't want a state, though many do vote for the moderate right-wing (not "left leaning") Democrats simply because they think it's the right thing to do.

Your sweeping generalizations and attempts to paint all of us with the same brush betray your own lack of knowledge, but don't worry, I'm sure the planet will last long enough for the Democrats' slow incremental change, and I'm sure my family in border camps are very thankful to be in liberal concentration camps.

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