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Edit: A bunch of yall don't seem to grasp the concept of a theoretical question

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago

No. Slower than light travel will still enable a smaller amount of colonization of the local area. Where if we do anything that destroys the planet, that's kinda putting all your eggs in one basket. If that goes catastrophically wrong, as things sometimes do, then everything gets fucked up.

It's just an unnecessary risk.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yes.

Why not extend our environmental destruction into the farthest reaches of the universe? The heat death of the universe will be humanity extracting every last bit of energy from it to sell ads for the most trivial bullshit imaginable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I love the idea of our expansion being dependant on destroying our own home planet.

I'd nuke all of you in a second to get to travel the stars. Maybe carve "Later, bitches!" Into siberia with my motherfucking space lasers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The universe doesn't give a shit what happens

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I like the way you think.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oddly specific... What are you doing OP? Should we be worried? Honestly "faster than light" travel is already too generic: do you mean going actually FTL or breaking the space barrier with wormholes or space displacement shenanigans that "look like" FTL? That said, Earth destroyed in a few decades because of the research or the PRODUCTION of such method? A little bit of context would made answering this question way more interesting...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The question is to make us think about the moral and practical aspects of advancing technology, leaving room for different interpretations to encourage diverse discussions. It's like a 'what if' scenario, helping us explore the consequences of scientific progress without prescribing a single answer.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Would you sell your house just to buy a car?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Would you sell your house for a magic flying car?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Would you sell your house to be ejected into unknown and never have chance to go back?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

And you have no magic.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Not if I have good reason to believe I won't get another one like the old any time soon.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No. While faster than light travel might secure the human race's survival and intergalactic presence, is the human race more important than our planet? I don't think so..

While I value human life, we're just hairless apes that are both too smart for our own good and still incredibly simple-minded and tribal. Our importance is self-importance. What is the benefit of human-kind for the universe? So far we're making existence worse for other species. We're already destroying our planet.

Emotionally and selfishly I want us to continue going, but I think our existence has been far more detrimental than neutral, and certainly far from a positive impact on nature. We're parasites to this planet, and I think a life-supporting planet is more important than the selfish and detrimental endeavors carried out by one species.

The Earth is more important than our selfish asses.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

we’re just hairless apes that are both too smart for our own good

By that same logic the Earth is just a rock floating through space with self replicating molecules on it. What makes it any more or less important than us? It's all rather meaningless, no?

We're a virus on Earth, but just like viruses don't care about invading and killing the host - why should we care about killing the Earth? Don't misunderstand me - I think we should try and stop climate change from getting out of control from a practical standpoint. We're stuck here so rising temperatures will have serious long term impacts on our global society. But I think this idolization of nature argument falls flat - feels almost religious.

Main reason for me is that we are just as part of nature as anything else. To assume otherwise is arrogance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What is the benefit of nature? Worth and importance are intrinsically human judgements, the universe doesn't give a damn about birds and plants any more than it does about us.

If you value life in general, humanity is the best chance life on earth has of ever getting off planet earth and into the galaxy before the sun dies.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No way.

Earth is the homeland, it's the botanical gardens, the tribal reservation, it comes first.

Now, if you could do it on, say, mars, absolutely.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yea, FTL travel implies that we have somewhere else to go.

Now while I assume there are plenty of other habitable planets out there, strictly speaking we don’t know that.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Personally no. There's so many other obstacles to overcome with populating other planets that getting there isn't worth destroying the only one we have.

If we had others then maybe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think a civilization which would destroy their home with the single-minded goal of spreading throughout the universe in the blink of an eye should be allowed to spread beyond their local star system at all. Maybe re-evaluate after giving them a few centuries to mature.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why? There's no intrinsic value in this one random space rock, especially if we have access to the technologies to use others

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Considering it's the only known one to have life on it...

Yes... that's actually quite a bit of intrinsic value that may not exist on any other planet.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I mean surely the research itself isn't actually what destroys the earth, but rather the actual use of such an FTL drive, no? So just research the fundamentals, run a few tests outside the edge of the solar system with unmanned probes, and keep the tech in our pockets in case we actually have a reason to evacuate the planet

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Brontaroc will feast on that passenger list.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, ngl, I have zero clue what that reference is

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

FTL in general and FTL that can evacuate entire planets worth of even a single species are very, very different scales of technology.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No. FTL travel does not mean we have the means to transport billions of people and the entire ecology around us including specific conditions of Earth's orbit in terms of temperature, day, month and year length and many other parameters each of those plants, animals,... requires to another place within a few decades.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where would we go? We don't know of any other planets that we could easily live on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kepler-452b for starters but with FTL travel we could probably find quite a few more

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Unless FTL travel is significantly faster than light, it's usefulness would be limited. Kepler-452 is located about 1,800 light-years from Earth, which means it would take light 1,800 years to travel that distance. Even if our theoritical FTL travel was twice as fast as light, it would still take us 900 years to get there...

Once we get there, it is still unlikely that the planet would be habitable for humans. Quoting Wikipedia:

However, it is unknown if it is entirely habitable, as it is receiving slightly more energy than Earth and could be subjected to a runaway greenhouse effect.

There are closer exoplanets (closest one we know about is Proxima Centauri b), but even those are likely to be poorly suited for humans since we evolved to live specifically on Earth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

1800 years as observed from someone else watching the light travel. However, when travelling at c, you experience no time. From a photon's point of view, no time passes between when it is emitted and when it is absorbed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Earth isn't travelling with you though so Earth would be toast long before you arrive.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where are we going to get the infinite energy required to move faster than light? ONSHORE WIND FARMS?!?!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Free wormhole with every ipad.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That's a very specific scenario.

I would say no. But there's going to be a lot of factors that go into that decision. That I don't have the data for.

I think it's far more likely The Earth is going to live just long enough for us to have multiple planets colonized. Once we have multiple planets destroying a single planet becomes a viable military strategy. So that's when the earth will die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Earth will be fine once it's got rid of us.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Have you been playing Starfield? This is related to something in the game.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

If we'd ever discover FTL travel, the universe and causality would be broken. Earth might as well be a dragon at this point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I feel like, maybe, you just watched Pandorum. As long as we don't let Dennis Quaid drive the ship, we should be okay.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

No with just the speed of light, yes with a speed higher than that of light, so beyond space and time.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Should we? No. Would we anyway?

... yeah, probably.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You'd have to explain how it will be destroyed. Since FTL allows for time travel it seems like any such crisis could be averted with FTL travel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, this is an element of the three body problem series. Essentially some type of warp drive would leave long term effects on the surrounding space-time.

Sort of like nuclear fallout, but at the solar system level. Basically to use it safely, you would need to travel at normal lower than light speed to some empty place and then from there use the FTL warp drive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

That's ok. Like taking your car to the track.

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